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Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 3x09 - "Terra Firma, Part 1"

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It was stated he was a time soldier who crossed over from the Kelvin Universe. He was obviously working in our Star Trek PU (which is how they knew about the condition that was affecting Philippa Georgiou); thus he was wearing a PU 24th century uniform in that holographic record. What's so crazy about that?
ag, that was kelvin? I missed it somehow and was indeed confused.

I think the play reenacting Empress Georgiou's ascent had her using a sword? Wouldn't that be outdated to put it mildly? I get it was a propaganda play but I found it rather odd. Maybe she fought Klingons who used bat'leths.
on the other hand, terrans seem pretty fond of blades...

Peter David used it in his novels with explicit permission from Ellison; they were friends.

It was used without permission in the "Crucible" trilogy of books; a lawsuit resulted.
The Guardian is also very important in the Reeves-Stevens book “Federation”, I wonder if they needed permission.

Not to mention that’s one of the TOS locations/characters/devices most used in fan films. I can count at least four different productions using it!
 
Well the people on it were dead at the time so I don't think they count. They weren't really travelers, just cargo.

Good point. For some reason I thought some of them were still alive during the crossing but TOS clearly shows the entire crew was dead by that point.
 
ag, that was kelvin? I missed it somehow and was indeed confused.
Kovich said he came from a timeline created by a temporally displaced Romulan mining ship.

They never use the term 'Kelvin Timeline' in the episode, but Nero's ship was a modified mining vessel.
 
Yes, you're right, I am confused. Because why would the Temporal Accords dissallow Yor to return to his universe if he crossed over 800 years before the Temporal Accords existed? Remember, he traveled in time as well as across universes. The impression I got is that Yor came from 2379 of the Kelvin timeline to circa 3000 of the prime universe. I could be wrong. Time travel makes little sense.
He could've gone to some point in the 24th century given the uniform and was undercover as an officer back then. It's interesting that the Kelvin universe was involved in the war, I wonder what role they played and how big the stakes were given that other universes were involved.
 
Yes, you're right, I am confused. Because why would the Temporal Accords dissallow Yor to return to his universe if he crossed over 800 years before the Temporal Accords existed? Remember, he traveled in time as well as across universes. The impression I got is that Yor came from 2379 of the Kelvin timeline to circa 3000 of the prime universe. I could be wrong. Time travel makes little sense.
Time travel and dimensional travel was banned in the 3000s, so that's why.
 
He could've gone to some point in the 24th century given the uniform and was undercover as an officer back then.

Yes, that's certainly possible. I just think using that uniform on the Yor hologram was an odd choice.

Time travel and dimensional travel was banned in the 3000s, so that's why.

So if it was banned in the 3000's, then logically Yor must have traveled to the prime universe after that date. Otherwise he would have been allowed to return to the Kelvin timeline.
 
The way Carl was avoiding questions and talking in riddles also reminded me of the GoF.

So if it was banned in the 3000's, then logically Yor must have traveled to the prime universe after that date. Otherwise he would have been allowed to return to the Kelvin timeline.
The dialogue made it sound like he crossed over to the Prime Universe in the 2300s, then went to a point in the future after the ban. So he wouldn't be allowed to go back.
 
The dialogue made it sound like he crossed over to the Prime Universe in the 2300s, then went to a point in the future after the ban. So he wouldn't be allowed to go back.

I'll have to listen to the dialogue again because I don't recall the conversation implying that.
 
For those who don't remember (or didn't know) Culber's mirror uniform was originally designed for Season 1, but was never used because they couldn't think of a way to bring Mirror Culber into the story. If he's still a doctor, I guess Mirror Starfleet Doctors wear red.

This image is from one of the Season 1 Ready Room episodes.
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I'm thinking a version of the Guardian of Forever.
 
I'm not sure about this episode. Even though I want them to do more character focused episodes, more that are or feel episodic in nature, I feel this return to the Mirror Universe (which I generally enjoy whenever Trek does it) feels weirdly placed to me, and cuts into the momentum that should be building about The Burn and the Emerald Chain. I was more interested in seeing Saru still acclimating to the captaincy, the doomed Kelpien who made that distress call, and what role Book will play on Discovery more than I was in a Georgiou redemption story with where we are in the season.

I think Kovich is an intriguing character and liked the little tidbits of info he provided, which is some nice worldbuilding and tying together of the franchise. Also really liked the return of a TNG-style uniform. Tilly is still impressing me as first officer, her demeanor has changed and she is far less grating now.

I was confused while looking at this episode. I didn't get who "Carl" was (expecting the Guardian of Forever to be tied into this) and thought it would've been great if John DeLancie had also done a cameo on DISCO like he did for Lower Decks. Hopefully Carl is a Q.

Also I wasn't sure if this episode was retconning the first season's Mirror arc. Is, or can, Georgiou now change the past? By murdering Mirror Stamets what will the effect of that be in the 'future' (of the first season Mirror arc)? Also, this thing about Emperor Georgiou being 'weak'. From that first season, Emperor Georgiou was far from that, so it feels like the writers are also retconning in her compassion. As an aside, I thought Mirror Burnham's look was working for me, and I liked the looks for the other Mirror DISCO ladies. I liked the fight between Owosekun and Rhys, which reminded me of Uhura and Sulu's test of wills. Owosekun even got a Mirror Sulu like scar by the end of the episode so that was nice. Also liked that Rekha Sharma returned, which was a nice callback. I wish they had done more with her character, in both the Prime and Mirror universes, a waste of a good actress.

I did like how the episode felt full circle in the Burnham-Georgiou relationship and how they beamed to an ice planet, whereas Prime Georgiou and Burnham were first introduced to us walking on a desert planet. And I liked a lot of the interchange between Georgiou and both Burnhams. I like how the Emperor explained how Prime Burnham is trying to save Mirror Georgiou because she didn't save Prime Georgiou and now it appears that Mirror Georgiou is trying to save Mirror Burnham, and I gather has transposed some of her feelings for her daughter onto Prime Burnham. It's a nice, knotty, complicated dynamic between the two of them.

In a way I wish that they had taken Georgiou's redemption even slower. It felt weird to me when they jumpstarted down that path in Season 2, but it's been speeded up this season. The fun of the TOS and ENT Mirror episodes, and to some extent the DS9 ones was that many of the characters were their mirror opposites. DS9 and now DISCO have put more thought into the idea of what that might mean and how to write those characters and to explain the Mirror Universe, which I get, though some of the fun is taken away.

I do think that TOS, DS9, and ENT also had better established their characters before going to the Mirror Universe so we could appreciate how different the characters were than they did in DISCO, which also took away the fun of seeing the characters we know act out of character. While looking at this episode I wished that we had gotten more Prime Georgiou and Prime Burnham together to really appreciate the changed dynamic here. I also didn't buy the line that Saru gave that Mirror Georgiou had taught him as much as Prime Georgiou. That felt like a cheapening of his relationship with Prime Georgiou, who if perhaps not a mother to him was a great mentor, and his literal savior. I could've better accepted that line if it had not just come after Saru declared that he and Mirror Georgiou don't parse words.
michael sees philippa's love for her as a weakness, it's not that the emperor is weak it's that she sees her as someone weak for loving her when all michael wants is to kill her and steal her position.
 
According to The Ready Room, they improved/remade all the Terran chest plates for these two episodes, they're not reused from Season 1. The main character ones at least, I assume background actors are probably reusing Season 1 pieces..
 
The way Carl was avoiding questions and talking in riddles also reminded me of the GoF.


The dialogue made it sound like he crossed over to the Prime Universe in the 2300s, then went to a point in the future after the ban. So he wouldn't be allowed to go back.
But then how was he a time soldier ?
 
Best episode of the season so far.

Has a feel of TOS and TNG combined. Like Picard and Co dressing up on a holodeck or some planet, and the madness/ridiculous costumes in TOS. Since it wasn't just one episode, it is also very Discovery.

Gives a lot more background to the MU and Emperors story. I like Killy better than Tilly.
Love how MU Stamets died.

Was that really Rekha Sharma/Commander Ellen Landry back in MU or a lookalike?
It was really Sharma, although I thought she looked different from Season 1 as well.
 
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