Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 3x09 - "Terra Firma, Part 1"

Discussion in 'Star Trek: Discovery' started by Commander Richard, Dec 9, 2020.


Rate the episode...

  1. 10 - Excellent!

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  10. 1 - Terrible!

  1. rocketdave

    rocketdave Lieutenant Commander Red Shirt

    Apr 19, 2012
    Since Carl was reading tomorrow's newspaper, does that imply that Early Edition is part of the Star Trek universe?

    This actually might have been one of my favorite episodes of the season, partly because I liked seeing how Georgiou has softened, and also because it was strangely comforting to be back in the Mirror Universe. As excited as I was to see what the 32nd century had in store, there's something disquieting about being thrust into such a distant and unfamiliar time period. I have been enjoying season three overall, but it's probably made me feel sort of like how the Discovery crew felt about being cut off from everything they knew.

    There was also something reassuringly old school Star Trek about Carl, who was obviously reminiscent of Q, not to mention various other characters, god-like and otherwise, that the Enterprise crew would encounter who incongruously seemed like they could have been plucked out of Earth's past, whether it was Trelane or the Iotians or Abraham Lincoln, etc.
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  2. Cyrus

    Cyrus Vice Admiral Admiral

    Feb 10, 2002
    Los Angeles
    SMG and Yeoh turned out great performances. I agree with this part from trekmovie review:

    Sonequa Martin-Green relishes every moment in her debut as Mirror Michael, making it super clear she is bad to the bone. Michelle Yeoh also impresses here as she appears to be almost pretending to be the Emperor, even though she actually is the Emperor. Michael Prime has changed her.
  3. Vger23

    Vger23 Vice Admiral Admiral

    Apr 19, 2014
    Enterprise bowling alley
    Michelle Yeoh doesn’t get enough credit as an actress...her martial arts skills often take center stage, but she’s really quite good.
  4. Nerys Myk

    Nerys Myk Cartoon Premium Member

    Nov 4, 2001
    Vasquez Rocks, Bajor
    Tillious Maximus
  5. Cyrus

    Cyrus Vice Admiral Admiral

    Feb 10, 2002
    Los Angeles
    I kind of hope they don’t reveal more information about Carl. The GoF easter eggs are enough. This way those that are greatly bothered by Discovery using GoF (I am looking at you RMB) can pretend it was Q or some other god like being.
  6. Discofan

    Discofan Admiral Admiral

    Feb 23, 2018
    Empress Killy!
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  7. cooleddie74

    cooleddie74 Fleet Admiral Admiral

    Apr 25, 2001
    The Warped Sector of the Demented Quadrant
    I can see Mirror Kirk finding Empress Tilly attractive and trying to ingratiate himself with her to rise in the ranks.
  8. SJGardner

    SJGardner Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

    Jan 10, 2018
    In the center of Europe
    Absolutely. I do indeed concur wholeheartedly. Long may she reign!

    I mean, I do want Georgiou's experience to be only mental time travel without actually changing history, but if we get Empress Tilly The Magnificent in the end, I might reconsider :devil:
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  9. jackoverfull

    jackoverfull Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

    Jun 22, 2020
    I like them.
    But I have a penchant for over the top uniforms for evil guys.
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  10. Quinton

    Quinton Commander Red Shirt

    Jan 26, 2019
    Durham, NC
    Why are people upset about this? I just don't understand this fandom sometimes. lol
  11. Therin of Andor

    Therin of Andor Admiral Admiral

    Jun 30, 2004
    New Therin Park, Andor (via Australia)
    "The City on the Edge of Forever" shows us two possible futures, that hinge on the death or survival of Edith Keeler. "Yesteryear" (TAS) shows us two possible futures, that hinge on the death or survival of Spock as a child.

    But wasn't in from one universe and pretending to be from another?
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  12. fireproof78

    fireproof78 Fleet Admiral Admiral

    Apr 11, 2014
    Annoyed by inappropriate use of the word "Need"
    That would be a safe bet.
  13. Firebird

    Firebird Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

    Apr 23, 2005
    On the Cinerama screen, in glorious Technicolor.
    In thinking back over the episode, did anyone else find that Wiseman was playing Captain Killy a bit too genially to be a legendary homicidal warrior of the Mirror Universe?
  14. 137th Gebirg

    137th Gebirg Admiral Premium Member

    Aug 31, 2000
    PEBCAK! Three miles west of COVFEFE!
    All smiles and no snarls makes her the most dangerous of all of them.
  15. Jaimito

    Jaimito Lieutenant Commander Red Shirt

    Sep 25, 2017
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  16. AlanC9

    AlanC9 Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

    May 5, 2004
    My favorite thing in the episode is Burnham not being able to deal with just how crazy the whole Carl thing is. Crazy stuff happens in Trek all the time, yeah, but it's still crazy.
  17. Kevman7987

    Kevman7987 Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

    May 20, 2013
    Erie, PA, USA
    It would be hard to deal with the sudden appearance of an alien entity that starts dropping puns left and right.
  18. Bad Thoughts

    Bad Thoughts Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

    Jun 19, 2013
    Bad Thoughts
    In case anyone cares, I watched Burnett's video on this episode, and I can safely say that his argument is "get off my lawn." He considers the use of the Guardian of Forever (and he makes only lazy efforts to connet them) a violation of the sanctity of the TOS and TAS stories, made only worse by its implementation by a series he does not consider to be Star Trek. Burnett also lies, saying that the Guardian was never used again out of respect for Ellison, when indeed, Roddenberry himself proposed a film story that used the Guardian that would have Kirk go back in time to deal with the assassination of JFK.
  19. Lord Garth

    Lord Garth Vice Admiral Admiral

    May 7, 2011
    Aug 10, 1999
    I've got to wonder what Gene Roddenberry had against JFK. He really wouldn't let go of that story. At all. And, from what I understand, the world goes all to Hell in that story, if JFK had lived.
  20. Borgminister

    Borgminister Admiral Moderator

    May 30, 2001
    Second time through, and I'm teetering on the brink of a nine, but will wait for the conclusion of this Terran tale...

    Had a "now I have a headache" Austin Powers moment during the Kovich temporal explanation, but enjoyed Michelle Yeoh's nuanced and layered performance, especially the Saru/Georgiou dynamic in both worlds, the sword to neck moments for both Burnhams and SMG's performance as bloodthirsty Michael, the Shakespearean "peace and love to the universe" moment, and the Winston Churchill doorman scene, but the Adira/Stamets moment about Gary is turning a bit into a soap opera, as in, repetitive for no reason. And like, why go find Saru when you have a com badge?

    Maybe this will be resolved in part two, but as bloodthirsty and vicious as mirror Burnham is, how could she truly be in love with a worker's rights centered Lorca?

    And finally man, did Joann rain some punches down on her challenger--Ouch!