No, there really isn’t. Thanks though!
Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 3x08 - "The Sanctuary"
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No, there really isn’t. Thanks though!
For me, it all depends on how this season ends
good that all is clear now then
RIKER: Is it my imagination, or have tempers become a little frayed on this ship lately?
WORF: I hadn't noticed.
[Ten Forward] (And they walk straight into an old-fashioned bar brawl)
WORF: I see what you mean.
Other than Robert Meyer Burnett, who else has claimed to know what is in the two-parter?
At IMDB, this episode has the lowest rating of all Discovery episodes. It is at 5.9 with 953 users rating it.
At IMDB, this episode has the lowest rating of all Discovery episodes. It is at 5.9 with 953 users rating it.
I sorta doubt that. The script says a space station above Earth got conquered? It would be difficult for the plot to go in any direction from there.
I rather think the disconnect is within the VFX department. They hear they need a space station, and then they decide there ought to be a planet there for visual oomph, without bothering to analyze the script down to its nth implication.
That the planet happens to be Earth is just expediency: every planet is a preexisting model, just colored funny (Stamets grows the spores on Pluto, Kwejian has an Iceland, there's Africa on Qo'noS and so forth). And there's cloud cover to hide stuff here, and it's just poor judgement to have the bit that dangles out be something recognizable to the audience, such as Florida.
The writer also called that particular ship "battle cruiser", "prison ship" and "bird of prey" interchangeably. We can't blame the VFX artists in this case: "Choose Your Pain" simply needed proofreading, is all.
Speaking of retconning, surely a vessel operated by the cunning House of Mo'Kai would project a false ID for Starfleet shuttlecraft computers to ogle.
Timo Saloniemi
Lumping together every critic and every criticism to create a boogeyman will drive you crazy if you let it. We’re not a hive mind — people like different things about this 50+-year-old franchise So, no, there will probably never be the consistency of opinion you want. And, yeah, there are some folks who will never like Discovery. But railing about people giving opinions on a Trek discussion forum — especially the people who put in the work to give reasoned opinions — misses the point of a Trek discussion forum.
You can post about this all day, every day, and those least likely to be moved by it are the bad-faith posters. Haters gonna hate. But the people you’re likely to alienate are the more reasonable folks you’re painting with your broad brush. If they were to leave, I don’t think you”d find the forum better for it.
The Sanctuary
The Eighth episode of the third season. Book receives a message from his brother, saying that the Emerald Chain is encroaching on their homeworld. They also trace the origin of the Burn to a nebula where a Federation distress signal is coming from. Adira comes out to Stamets (and at least Culber). Culber also tries to find out what is wrong with Georgiou. Is it a disjointed mess? No, but the storylines don't seem to have much to do with each other. But I'm certain it would come together further down the line.
First of all, the storyline with Book and his brother is the main storyline, bringing the threat of the Emerald Chain front and centre. Discovery jumps to the planet to 'observe' the situation. However, as usually happens, things get out of control. Book's brother ambushes Book and Burnham, while Osyraa, the leader of the Emerald Chain, arrives in her warship. She certainly is menacing in an understated way. The scenes with Detmer, Rin and Grudge in Book's ship were done very well. Rin being flummuxed by Grudge was a great moment.
That the Chain is running out of Dilithium isn't that much of a surprise, although it certainly will lead to something down the road. Osyraa's ship being defeated by Book's ship (which needs a name) instead of Discovery) while a resonable development, doesn't stop Osyraa blaming the Federation, which is a good moment. Georgiou seems to be dying, but Culbur isn't able to pinpoint what the problem is, even with the 32nd Century medical technology. But it's almost certainly leading into the next episode.
It's certainly something that will take up some time in that episode (or two). The scene where Adira comes out to Stamets was well written. It certainly gets across that its something very personal, given that they had only previously told Grey. (And based on the real life coming out?) Then there's the usual Culmets sappyness. Don't need too much of it. At least it links into the Burn storyline, given it was Adira writing the algorithm. Overall a good episode. 8.3/10.
The Eighth episode of the third season. Book receives a message from his brother, saying that the Emerald Chain is encroaching on their homeworld. They also trace the origin of the Burn to a nebula where a Federation distress signal is coming from. Adira comes out to Stamets (and at least Culber). Culber also tries to find out what is wrong with Georgiou. Is it a disjointed mess? No, but the storylines don't seem to have much to do with each other. But I'm certain it would come together further down the line.
First of all, the storyline with Book and his brother is the main storyline, bringing the threat of the Emerald Chain front and centre. Discovery jumps to the planet to 'observe' the situation. However, as usually happens, things get out of control. Book's brother ambushes Book and Burnham, while Osyraa, the leader of the Emerald Chain, arrives in her warship. She certainly is menacing in an understated way. The scenes with Detmer, Rin and Grudge in Book's ship were done very well. Rin being flummuxed by Grudge was a great moment.
That the Chain is running out of Dilithium isn't that much of a surprise, although it certainly will lead to something down the road. Osyraa's ship being defeated by Book's ship (which needs a name) instead of Discovery) while a resonable development, doesn't stop Osyraa blaming the Federation, which is a good moment. Georgiou seems to be dying, but Culbur isn't able to pinpoint what the problem is, even with the 32nd Century medical technology. But it's almost certainly leading into the next episode.
It's certainly something that will take up some time in that episode (or two). The scene where Adira comes out to Stamets was well written. It certainly gets across that its something very personal, given that they had only previously told Grey. (And based on the real life coming out?) Then there's the usual Culmets sappyness. Don't need too much of it. At least it links into the Burn storyline, given it was Adira writing the algorithm. Overall a good episode. 8.3/10.
I wonder if people are doing that on purpose over there, trying to tank the rating.
Well, I thought the reviews for the last episode were terrible, but feast your eyes on this:
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt11427530/reviews?ref_=tt_ov_rt
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt11427530/reviews?ref_=tt_ov_rt
Like some people on this forum are giving every episode (automatically) a 10? Even if they write something like "Not as good as last episode, but Discovery!!" If you read the comments, you find many posts that say that they did not really like parts of it, be it vfx, be it the writing, etc., but they still give it high grades. Too high compared to what they had written in their comments, but "10 points because it had Georgiou", or something like that.
10 = best amount of enjoyment, even if flawed?
Every episode? If you see flaws and name them in your comment, how can it be the best amount of enjoyment? How objective is your rating then?
Scale down? You actually think that discovery won’t save the federation this year?
no, VR background are the big new thing in Hollywood, mandalorian has been the opener of this little revolution way before covid was discovered. They can be convenient for many kind of shows, but For an SF series they solve a lot of problems, especially in this era of inflated costs.
but we can’t say it’s bad writing, it’s just us not liking it.
Oh, we certainly can say it's bad writing. Lack of proofreading is basically in the definition. But additionally, I do hate bad proofreading...
If it were something other than sheer carelessness, it might amount to the writers establishing Saru as an idiot who has no idea of the military designations of threat vessels (he's the only one to bring up "bird of prey"), and L'Rell as a cunning spy who flies around in a ship masquerading as a D7, possibly even from a competing House. Which I wouldn't actually dislike.
Timo Saloniemi
If it were something other than sheer carelessness, it might amount to the writers establishing Saru as an idiot who has no idea of the military designations of threat vessels (he's the only one to bring up "bird of prey"), and L'Rell as a cunning spy who flies around in a ship masquerading as a D7, possibly even from a competing House. Which I wouldn't actually dislike.
Timo Saloniemi
i was being sarcastic.
If someone wants to consider the rating distribution of this episode as an objective evaluation of this episode, as shown in the attached picture, I sympathise.
A weighted average for such a special under-rating will not help, especially since haters have learned how to play the system. Rating plus review is probably more weighted while the algorithm does not assess the quality of the arguments. This is the explanation for the sudden increase in the number of reviews with grade 1.
So if the ratings are good people love discovery, if they are bad the haters are gaming the system. Got it.
And again, I gave 8 to this episode.
And again, I gave 8 to this episode.
A critical review will at least include things that the reviewer enjoyed about the episode, be it the directing, VFX, character moments, while also illustrating why the episode didn't work. I mean you just have to look at some of the reviews calling 'The Sanctuary' the worst episode of Trek ever to know that a lot of the reviews are disingenuous. There are just some fans who are so full of hate and spite that they will take out their anger via review bombing like petulant children.
Actually I was curious enough to be reading some of those reviews. While I don’t agree with many of what’s written, many point out valid issues with the episode.
Ironically, some reviewers accuse “fan boys paid by CBS” to review-bomb IMDB with 10/10 score reviews. Conspiracy theories can go both ways, see?
Ironically, some reviewers accuse “fan boys paid by CBS” to review-bomb IMDB with 10/10 score reviews. Conspiracy theories can go both ways, see?
Also, very interestingly, many reviewers say they enjoyed the first two seasons but aren’t liking this one...For me it has been the opposite so far and it’s not really surprising: different people, different tastes.
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