Roughly 2.4 kilometres for the Emerald Chainship Viridian. And the distance from ground...15.2 kilometres?
Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 3x08 - "The Sanctuary"
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I liked this episode better than last week, which will probably put me on the opposite of the majority. The episode once again suffers from trying to cram too much into an hour and it suffers.
I was happy to see the tool of an Orion nephew meet his end, but Osyraa feels a lot like the Lucian Alliance of Stargate so far. She may have a big ship with lots of weapons, but she’s picking on the small, backwater planets, skirting around. There isn’t any menace to her and I hope that they don’t expect her to be the big villain in her current form.
Georgiou’s story was something that suffered at being crammed into this episode. It didn’t need a huge reveal at this point, but it felt like an add-on in this episode. I’m not thrilled that she is apparently having some kind of weird technobabble problem. Why couldn’t they follow the angle that she is actually starting to care for these people, this universe is rubbing off on her and having problems justifying what she did as the Empress? An actor like Michelle Yeoh can handle that and knock it out of the park.
Once again, Doug Jones has a strong episode. The attempts at a captain catchphrase are cute, but you also get to see him be a scientist again and help solve the problem. He also gets a good captain moment when he facetiously offers to help Osyraa repair her ship, which has happened plenty of times in the history of Trek.
The Adira “they” scene was also perfectly handled. It didn’t need to be a big to-do to prove a point or raise the flag that they had done something. It was a small moment and exactly how I’d think a moment like that would go. Discovery continues to hit these small character moments out of the park this season.
Where did Discovery get a room of instruments, including a grand piano?
The scenes of Book’s planet with his brother also suffer from the amount of stuff going on here. David Ajala is a great actor and the scenes with his brother were well played by the two actors. I’d love to learn how they communicate with wildlife and how that works.
I love that Bryce’s gesture to put something on scene is tossing it like a cigarette butt.
I’ve read the comments that the Tilly/Ryn scenes felt too much like the husband and wife they are and I saw that in their final scene, where he suddenly feels that he can open up to her even though he spent most of his time with Detmer. I also didn’t get why the Emerald Chain cares if he is telling people that they are running out of dilithium. Yes, it could threaten their image, but I don’t see one man being able to change everyone’s opinion of their power. The scene when Grudge jumps on him reminded me of Jim Parsons in Home.
We were really splitting hairs with using Book’s ship, but it’s another thing Trek has done several times before. Detmer’s speech during her flight shows she can act and hopefully the writers will give her more to do.
I’m liking the continued evolvement of Michael Burnham. There were very few moments in the first two seasons were Burnham stopped and just took a breath. Her scenes this year are a lot more grounded. She isn’t always running around with her adrenaline shooting through the roof and it’s been a positive change for the character.
I was happy to see the tool of an Orion nephew meet his end, but Osyraa feels a lot like the Lucian Alliance of Stargate so far. She may have a big ship with lots of weapons, but she’s picking on the small, backwater planets, skirting around. There isn’t any menace to her and I hope that they don’t expect her to be the big villain in her current form.
Georgiou’s story was something that suffered at being crammed into this episode. It didn’t need a huge reveal at this point, but it felt like an add-on in this episode. I’m not thrilled that she is apparently having some kind of weird technobabble problem. Why couldn’t they follow the angle that she is actually starting to care for these people, this universe is rubbing off on her and having problems justifying what she did as the Empress? An actor like Michelle Yeoh can handle that and knock it out of the park.
Once again, Doug Jones has a strong episode. The attempts at a captain catchphrase are cute, but you also get to see him be a scientist again and help solve the problem. He also gets a good captain moment when he facetiously offers to help Osyraa repair her ship, which has happened plenty of times in the history of Trek.
The Adira “they” scene was also perfectly handled. It didn’t need to be a big to-do to prove a point or raise the flag that they had done something. It was a small moment and exactly how I’d think a moment like that would go. Discovery continues to hit these small character moments out of the park this season.
Where did Discovery get a room of instruments, including a grand piano?
The scenes of Book’s planet with his brother also suffer from the amount of stuff going on here. David Ajala is a great actor and the scenes with his brother were well played by the two actors. I’d love to learn how they communicate with wildlife and how that works.
I love that Bryce’s gesture to put something on scene is tossing it like a cigarette butt.
I’ve read the comments that the Tilly/Ryn scenes felt too much like the husband and wife they are and I saw that in their final scene, where he suddenly feels that he can open up to her even though he spent most of his time with Detmer. I also didn’t get why the Emerald Chain cares if he is telling people that they are running out of dilithium. Yes, it could threaten their image, but I don’t see one man being able to change everyone’s opinion of their power. The scene when Grudge jumps on him reminded me of Jim Parsons in Home.
We were really splitting hairs with using Book’s ship, but it’s another thing Trek has done several times before. Detmer’s speech during her flight shows she can act and hopefully the writers will give her more to do.
I’m liking the continued evolvement of Michael Burnham. There were very few moments in the first two seasons were Burnham stopped and just took a breath. Her scenes this year are a lot more grounded. She isn’t always running around with her adrenaline shooting through the roof and it’s been a positive change for the character.
Brazilian Portuguese doesn't allow for gender-fluidity in pronouns yet, I take it?
And how large was Bajor or Ekos compared to the Terran Empire? How many atrocities happened under Dukat's and Melakon's watch, and how many under the Emperor?
Hey, people in Europe - what did the German, French, Italian versions say?
Random Thoughts:
The more acting they let Emily Coutts do, the better. She brings a ton of charm and fun to the (very few) scenes Detmer contributes to. Easily my favorite background character...and has the most potential to grow that role into a more major role.
I loved the gag of Saru trying to figure out his catchphrase.
I’m not really sure if this Emerald Whatever crime syndicate is supposed to be menacing and interesting....but it’s really not.
I can’t stand the redesigned Discovery exterior.
Admiral Whatshisname continues to be cool. I like him as the weekly boss.
Please, for the love of GOD...tell us what’s up with Georgeiou
Culber is, as always, a complete show-steeler
Great visual fx in this one. The space battle was really cool.
I don’t care about Andorian guy. At all.
The guy who plays Book seems capable of having great chemistry with just about anyone they play opposite him. Good actor...lots of charisma.
Burnham with long hair and big smile = unbelievably attractive human being
The more acting they let Emily Coutts do, the better. She brings a ton of charm and fun to the (very few) scenes Detmer contributes to. Easily my favorite background character...and has the most potential to grow that role into a more major role.
I loved the gag of Saru trying to figure out his catchphrase.
I’m not really sure if this Emerald Whatever crime syndicate is supposed to be menacing and interesting....but it’s really not.
I can’t stand the redesigned Discovery exterior.
Admiral Whatshisname continues to be cool. I like him as the weekly boss.
Please, for the love of GOD...tell us what’s up with Georgeiou
Culber is, as always, a complete show-steeler
Great visual fx in this one. The space battle was really cool.
I don’t care about Andorian guy. At all.
The guy who plays Book seems capable of having great chemistry with just about anyone they play opposite him. Good actor...lots of charisma.
Burnham with long hair and big smile = unbelievably attractive human being
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The Emerald Chain, Emerald City...
... we need a Star Trek: Discovery version of The Wizard of Oz!
Burnham is Dorothy, Osyraa is Miss Gulch, and I'll let you decide who everyone else is.
The Emerald Chain, Emerald City...
... we need a Star Trek: Discovery version of The Wizard of Oz!
Burnham is Dorothy, Osyraa is Miss Gulch, and I'll let you decide who everyone else is.
Saru is the Cowardly Lion.
The twitter thread I linked says it does. Or at least there's words the LGBTQ+ community there uses.
Oops, I managed to vote for 3 but it was supposed to be a 7. As much as I enjoyed seeing Georgiou waking up from the procedure screaming, her awful comments all of the time were becoming too much in this episode. Culber was pretty fun in her scenes, though.
Grudge has stolen my heart this season. The adventures on Book's ship with Ryn were priceless. As were the scenes with Saru awkwardly trying to come up with his own catchphrase. Tilly's earnest advice for him is one reason she was picked as First Officer, and the other great one I noticed was her shutting Ryn down instantly when he turns up all pissy.
It was interesting seeing Book's home, and his brother (and awesomely cute kid). It felt like nice Star Trek plotting, even if it felt like they went down a very worn path.
Grudge has stolen my heart this season. The adventures on Book's ship with Ryn were priceless. As were the scenes with Saru awkwardly trying to come up with his own catchphrase. Tilly's earnest advice for him is one reason she was picked as First Officer, and the other great one I noticed was her shutting Ryn down instantly when he turns up all pissy.
It was interesting seeing Book's home, and his brother (and awesomely cute kid). It felt like nice Star Trek plotting, even if it felt like they went down a very worn path.
I'd say that she gave me serious Seska vibes, but honestly even Seska was better.
Still, they both have in common the idea that you make a menacing female antagonist by...making them a little bit mean and assertive?
ALL OF THIS.
Evil is evil. Should it really be a numbers game?
It’s weird how she’s both cartoonishly evil and green wallpaper. I’d really like the show to give us more complex antagonists, but Osyraa doesn’t even reach the level of entertainingly cartoonish.
I like the Andorian in this season's episodes. He's the Reg Barclay of Andorians.
I can tell you about the Finnish version. The person said to prefer "they". That does not actually work though, as Finnish only has one equivalent of he/she, hän. So Finnish is already gender neutral, and in Finnish it sounds like they wanted to be called as multiple persons. Then again, it somewhat works, as the symbiot is also included here.
This was a rather weak episode, even director Frakes couldn't save it. The emerald chain are weak villains. They are used to add some action scenes to episodes, but the results are not very good despite high production values. Book's brother was also not interesting.
The Burn and Georgiou mysteries are more interesting but neither was the main story this time.
The Burn and Georgiou mysteries are more interesting but neither was the main story this time.
Therin of Andor with Jack, 18 years ago by Ian McLean, on Flickr
Ryn with Grudge, 2020 by Ian McLean, on Flickr
true. Death is cheap on this series: Burnham doesn’t seem to care when she kills someone and the writers care even less.
I'm surprised this was a Frakes episode. But the Airiam one also was directed by him, IIRC. Not all scripts can be saved, I guess XD
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