Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 3x06 - "Scavengers"

[Noname Given]

@Noname Given, I think he's got you there.

At least until the divorce.

 

[plynch]

32 years on, four grown children and very good friends still. I am blessed.

 

[NCC-73515]

"The 37s" which to me made TOS episodes like "And The Vhildren Shall Lead" seem like Shakespeare in comparison.

 

[cultcross]

Prediction: Not only do I think Burnham will leave Discovery, I think Georgiou will go with her.

They've certainly been heavily setting that up - Book's ship and Burnham's familiarity with it, her rubbing against nuStarfleet, her ongoing interactions with Georgiou, them going off together this week.

 

[jaime]

It should also be noted that Burnham goes through a lot more in two seasons (Captain and important person in her life dies partly through her own fault, she's stripped of rank and blamed for a war, her boyfriend turned out to be a murdering Klingon spy, her brother is accused of murder, Saru almost dies, she briefly finds her mother and loses her all over again and gives up literally everything in her life except for her bonds aboard Discovery to save the univrse) than Picard, who off the top of my head gets assimilated, loses his brother and nephew and whatever was going on in "The Inner Light".

If you mind Discovery's high density of events that would put one in emotional turmoil, that's fair enough. From my own viewing, I never thought that Burnham reacted unexpectedly or overly emotional to any of that, and I think that a bunch of criticism that Burnham gets for crying may be directed at a symptom, rather than at the core issue (of Discovery consisting of many events that can reasonably result in emotional turmoil for Burnham).

I’m not here to disagree, but feel like being tortured by the Cardassians should feature on your Picard list, at least so someone can count the lights. (You can also throw in his fathers disapproval, being stabbed through the heart, pining for his best friends wife, the death of said best friend, the loss of the stargazer and subsequent enquiry...that’s before we even meet him in Farpoint... then to cherry pick without chronology, his mind meld with Sarek, the death of Tasha, the death of Data, the loss of his ship, killing ‘himself’... Risk is part of the game if you want to sit in that chair.)

 

[fireproof78]

I’m not here to disagree, but feel like being tortured by the Cardassians should feature on your Picard list, at least so someone can count the lights. (You can also throw in his fathers disapproval, being stabbed through the heart, pining for his best friends wife, the death of said best friend, the loss of the stargazer and subsequent enquiry...that’s before we even meet him in Farpoint... then to cherry pick without chronology, his mind meld with Sarek, the death of Tasha, the death of Data, the loss of his ship, killing ‘himself’... Risk is part of the game if you want to sit in that chair.)

It should. Which is why get the Picard show featuring dealing with a lot of trauma, primarily wrapped up in the Borg.

In my opinion, Picard should have cracked a lot sooner than he did.

 

[Ar-Pharazon]

They've certainly been heavily setting that up - Book's ship and Burnham's familiarity with it, her rubbing against nuStarfleet, her ongoing interactions with Georgiou, them going off together this week.

What happened to Burnham's own ship? The one she rescued Discovery with (I'm assuming) and the one we see at the beginning of 0303.

 

[Starbreaker]

I'm pretty sure that was Book's ship. We have seen it can reconfigure itself.

 

[Lakenheath 72]

She doesn't have it by the time of "Scavengers", if the past tense of her sentence is any indication.
She said, "I owned a ship."
It was Booker's ship that saved the Discovery.

 

[Agony_Boothb]

What happened to Burnham's own ship? The one she rescued Discovery with (I'm assuming) and the one we see at the beginning of 0303.

Book seemed to be operating from that Sanctuary planet we saw in 'That hope is you' so maybe she left it there before joining up with book, for whatever they were doing when Discovery arrived.

Or maybe Burnham sold it and it's currently in an interstellar car yard somewhere.

 

[Jinn]

I’m not here to disagree, but feel like being tortured by the Cardassians should feature on your Picard list, at least so someone can count the lights.

Oh yeah, absolutely! I can't belive I forgot that one.

(You can also throw in his fathers disapproval, being stabbed through the heart, pining for his best friends wife, the death of said best friend, the loss of the stargazer and subsequent enquiry...that’s before we even meet him in Farpoint... then to cherry pick without chronology, his mind meld with Sarek, the death of Tasha, the death of Data, the loss of his ship, killing ‘himself’... Risk is part of the game if you want to sit in that chair.)

Agreed on most, but at least from what I recall about TNG it never really felt like Picard and Yar were particularly close, or that her death would impact him significantly more than other personnel's death.

 

[jaime]

Oh yeah, absolutely! I can't belive I forgot that one.


Agreed on most, but at least from what I recall about TNG it never really felt like Picard and Yar were particularly close, or that her death would impact him significantly more than other personnel's death.

It’s one of those little things that I think was more ‘known in fandom’ say thirty years ago, but kind of drifted out of fan consciousness. Tasha was like Picards foundling daughter (a bit like Georgiou and Saru these days, or even Burnham) with it being implied it was him that got her off of Turkana IV etc. It’s like the dropped backstory for Saavik too.
Haven’t seen you in ages, good to see you again.

 

[Jinn]

It’s one of those little things that I think was more ‘known in fandom’ say thirty years ago, but kind of drifted out of fan consciousness. Tasha was like Picards foundling daughter (a bit like Georgiou and Saru these days, or even Burnham) with it being implied it was him that got her off of Turkana IV etc. It’s like the dropped backstory for Saavik too.

I either never noticed that, or it just has been too long since I watched TNG in whole Although, now that I think about it, that scene in that one Q episode where Riker gets powers (that I rewatched recently, er, I mean when lockdown began in March...) where Tasha is "killed" and whisked away to the bridge and talks to Picard makes a lot more sense in that light. When I watched it (out of order), it just felt kind weird an unprofessional.

Haven’t seen you in ages, good to see you again.

Good to see you too! I took a bit of a TrekBBS break, but now I'm back and all that.

 

[Phoenix219]

Which is funny, given how there are so many overblown bits of dialogue from her about what Starfleet is or what the Federation is, but yet she doesn't demonstrate it at all.

And reading these, "Oh, but Kirk would have done that, blah blah blah..." Um, no. Kirk didn't plunge Starfleet into a full scale war (in fact, prevented it in some cases) or endanger his ship and crew unnecessarily. Kirk bent rules when there was shortsightedness in the orders or mission, but I don't remember him running off like Burnham has done over the series.

Until The Search For Spock, *SPOCK* was more of a rule-breaker than Kirk, given The Menagerie....

 

[jackoverfull]

Until The Search For Spock, *SPOCK* was more of a rule-breaker than Kirk, given The Menagerie....

and monitor-breaker In amok time.

 

[Phoenix219]

No she isn't. Section 31 is supposed to be discreet and in the shadows.

Michael Burnham would have vaporized a dozen people and shouted "Section 31 was here!" complete with singing the Section 31 war chant. Luther Sloan would roll over in his grave.

I just pictured Mariner doing this. Maybe she's not that different from Michael after all.

 

[Tim Thomason]

I think she used it during the flashback sequence to 2249 when Michael first boards the Shenzhou and to refer to her command officers but if not I stand corrected. The dialogue in that flashback is a little rusty in my head.

Nope. There is no Number One in the 2249 scene (Michael certainly isn't, yet).

 

[lightspeedbear]

After the highs of the previous episode, I thought this one was terrible. Convoluted, badly written and directed, and the forced melodrama continues to grate. Burnham in tears (again) at letting Saru down, give me a break.

The salvage planet also looked so incredibly cheap and badly realised. Getting a bit bored of Discovery's amber/teal palette (literally no other colours seem to exist on this show), as well as them changing the visual grading on another planet and thinking 'job done'.

 

[hbquikcomjamesl]

Still in my Sacramento hotel room. Still eating take-out, because so many of my favorite Sacramento restaurants are gone (one of them already gone by the time COVID-19 was anything more than an ominous rumor out of China).

Certainly not up to the previous two episodes, but I've certainly seen far worse. And it makes sense that Burnham would need to face consequences for going rogue.

The salvage planet really reminds me a lot of Jakku, from SW:TFA. Then again, I seem to be seeing Jakku-clones a lot in ST lately.