Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 3x06 - "Scavengers"

Discussion in 'Star Trek: Discovery' started by Commander Richard, Nov 18, 2020.

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  1. jackoverfull

    jackoverfull Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

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    and that’s fine. Still, haven’t you noticed that it happens way more than in past series? This can be fine for some, but it’s clearly annoying to some others. As you say, mileage may vary.
     
  2. fireproof78

    fireproof78 Fleet Admiral Admiral

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    Great, it happens more in this series. I can't stand most of TNG, VOY or ENT. So, clearly those series are not for me. So, perhaps this series is? Asking for a friend.:shrug:
     
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  3. MELF

    MELF Vice Admiral Admiral

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    Michael is an emotional train wreck right now...

    She doesn't know if her mother is alive or dead...
    She's 1000 years in the future, everything she knew has changed or is gone...
    After spending a year wondering if she would ever see the Discovery and it's crew, has now begun to doubt if she even belongs in Star Fleet anymore ...
    She's got a new "boyfriend" who she's is just now starting to realize she loves...

    It's a wonder that she isn't off in a corner somewhere banging her head against the wall.

    OF COURSE she's going to be Extremely Emotional every episode so far this season.
     
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  4. eschaton

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    I feel like I need to make note this actually isn't particularly consistent with what Discovery's first season showed us regarding Michael at all. Particularly prior to traveling to the MU she was a highly emotionally suppressed individual. I think this characterization didn't work well for whatever reason (SMG's acting range, inconsistent direction, etc) so they pivoted 180 degrees with her character, with her becoming an extremely emotionally demonstrative character. Which is fine...I just wish there was more of an arc explaining how she got to where she is.
     
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  5. SJGardner

    SJGardner Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

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    Just to nitpick something else, am I the only one who's a bit bugged by the writers using "Number One" as an apparently co-official synonym for XO? Unless my memory has failed me, I've yet to hear the words "First Officer" from anyone in Season 3.
     
  6. Happy Xmas (War Is Over)

    Happy Xmas (War Is Over) If You Want It Premium Member

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    I only get annoyed when a poster spells the name wrong. "Micheal" :mad:
    ;)
     
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  7. MELF

    MELF Vice Admiral Admiral

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    You might want to read my post just above yours...

    How much more of an "arc explanation" do you need?
    :confused:
     
  8. fireproof78

    fireproof78 Fleet Admiral Admiral

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    Yup. There is no realistic way to say that she should behave like any other Starfleet officer in the past, aside from maybe Kirk, since same era of training. But, beyond that? She is highly traumatized. Her emotions are going to be that way.
    Trauma. That's what it is.
     
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  9. jackoverfull

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    yup, that kinda annoys me too
     
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  10. Romulan_spy

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    Yeah. "Number One" was used in TOS and TNG as a colloquial term for XO. But I think the writers like it a lot and feel it is a very recognizable term in Trek so they have started using it as a synonym for XO.
     
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  11. fireproof78

    fireproof78 Fleet Admiral Admiral

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    I prefer executive officer to first officer or Number One.
     
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  12. jackoverfull

    jackoverfull Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

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    Not really TOS: only Pike used it. I guess Saru picked it up from him.
     
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  13. fireproof78

    fireproof78 Fleet Admiral Admiral

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    Well, he is the most decorated captain so it would make sense to emulate him.
     
  14. NCC-73515

    NCC-73515 Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

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    Simple facts:
    3/179 = 1.7%
    Burnham is way >50%
     
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  15. SantaEddie74

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    In the in-universe continuity Georgiou is the first Starfleet Captain we hear using "Number One" followed by Pike. None in TOS Proper use the term except for the Talosian flashback sequences of Pike in "The Menagerie, Parts I and II." It's never heard aboard the TOS Movie ships and doesn't get heard again in the timeline until Picard uses it in 2364 during TNG Season 1.
     
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  16. Lord Garth

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    2254 --> "The Cage"
    2256 --> "The Vulcan Hello"

    On the other hand, Georgiou was already in command of the Shenzhou in 2249 and Pike didn't take command of the Enterprise until 2250.

    Let's split the difference and say Pike and Georgiou were both using it at the same time. So it was a 2250s thing that disappeared for about 100 years.
     
  17. SantaEddie74

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    I think she used it during the flashback sequence to 2249 when Michael first boards the Shenzhou and to refer to her command officers but if not I stand corrected. The dialogue in that flashback is a little rusty in my head.
     
  18. fireproof78

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    Simpler facts-mileage will vary depending on the character.
     
  19. Jinn

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    It should also be noted that Burnham goes through a lot more in two seasons (Captain and important person in her life dies partly through her own fault, she's stripped of rank and blamed for a war, her boyfriend turned out to be a murdering Klingon spy, her brother is accused of murder, Saru almost dies, she briefly finds her mother and loses her all over again and gives up literally everything in her life except for her bonds aboard Discovery to save the univrse) than Picard, who off the top of my head gets assimilated, loses his brother and nephew and whatever was going on in "The Inner Light".

    If you mind Discovery's high density of events that would put one in emotional turmoil, that's fair enough. From my own viewing, I never thought that Burnham reacted unexpectedly or overly emotional to any of that, and I think that a bunch of criticism that Burnham gets for crying may be directed at a symptom, rather than at the core issue (of Discovery consisting of many events that can reasonably result in emotional turmoil for Burnham).
     
  20. fireproof78

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    No, I think she reacts appropriately given the intensity of the moments.