Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 3x06 - "Scavengers"

[RAMA]

Nope. As I posted in the character thread, Burnham is by far the most popular character, as judged by the huge sample size from the TVTime poll. With well over 100,000 votes, the 2nd most popular has less than a quarter of that.

Incidentally SMG was just nominated for best genre actress by the Critics Choice Awards.

https://trekmovie.com/2020/11/19/st...-nominated-for-7-critics-choice-super-awards/

Best thing that could happen to this show is if they kill off Burnham. I'm tired of her. I guarantee "The Burn" refers to Burnham. It's staring right in our face. I'm glad they cut away at the very end right before she started crying.....again.

Nilsson speaks!!! Glad they are giving her more lines. I hope she's the new Number One!

I gave this one a 5.

 

[PiotrB]

Standard ST episode with an aspect of not obeying orders of superiors. However, its individual parts made up a very good episode. Both the comical ones (Linus, Tilly and Grudge) and the dramatic ones (the Burnham decision and the consequences). The positive aspects also include the modernisation of the Discovery and the new NCC-1031-A ID. So the deserved 9 or 10 if some type of critical comments will convince me.

Every time I see someone complaining about Burnham being emotional (and there’s a good amount of it), I can’t help but wonder if there is some kind of sexism at play. How dare human characters show emotion. Sisko cried a good amount, where’s the criticism for him? But I bet if Janeway showed emotion she would have gotten the same criticism that Burnham is receiving from certain people.

Not at all. It is not sexism. It is a fully justified criticism of bad character writing and it is only by chance that it always involves women's characters. [/Sarcasm]

Previous Trek characters cried in way less than half the episodes, and that made it more powerful. Burnham cries in way more than half the episodes, so it loses the impact it would otherwise have.

Less than half of 26 still gives more than half of 13.

what do you mean? At this point you just need 3 black boxes (which now they have) to pinpoint the source of the burn to two quite precise possible locations in space, the next logical step would be to check those out.

It’s not rocket science, it’s indeed something that the Greek in BC times could have done!

Three black boxes would be enough in 2d space. Space has 3 dimensions so as Tilly explains Burnham (which in itself deserves a facepalm because Burnham should have mastered the geometry at the elementary school level) in the shared part of the next episode is not enough.

 

[RAMA]

The interesting thing is, even Admiral Vance said: let's see your intelligence, this may have been worth it, as the event Discovery was being held back for clearly didn't happen anyway.

RAMA

Standard ST episode with an aspect of not obeying orders of superiors. However, its individual parts made up a very good episode. Both the comical ones (Linus, Tilly and Grudge) and the dramatic ones (the Burnham decision and the consequences). The positive aspects also include the modernisation of the Discovery and the new NCC-1031-A ID. So the deserved 9 or 10 if some type of critical comments will convince me.


Not at all. It is not sexism. It is a fully justified criticism of bad character writing and it is only by chance that it always involves women's characters. [/Sarcasm]

Less than half of 26 still gives more than half of 13.

Three black boxes would be enough in 2d space. Space has 3 dimensions so as Tilly explains Burnham (which in itself deserves a facepalm because Burnham should have mastered the geometry at the elementary school level) in the shared part of the next episode is not enough.

 

[Kzinti]

Thankfully I don't think ash is ever gonna come back

 

[RAMA]

Thankfully I don't think ash is ever gonna come back

He's going to be in the Section 31 series.

RAMA

 

[Kzinti]

He's going to be in the Section 31 series.

RAMA

 

[picardjean-luc]

no

The moment TNG became worst than ''Aliens.'' I still had nightmares from watching this scene to this day. And the bad CGI only made it worse

 

[F. King Daniel]

Although the rescue plot is old as dirt and I've seen it a dozen times, I enjoyed this one. Michael's going rogue. I can see her leaving Starfeet but staying on as a mission specialist.

It seems Georgiou had a son that Mirror Michael killed, and the repressed memory is coming back?

Staments and Culber are about to adopt Adira. Was the kiss between Paul and Hugh at the end cut? I didn't see it in the Netflix version but I've seen the photo floating around. Or maybe I just didn't notice?

The old Starfeet ships crashing down at the end looked epic.

 

[Photoman15]

I was waking up in the middle of the night last night to go pee and I figured out what caused "The Burn".
It is "the sentence".

The Q have finally decided that humans (and all space-faring violent species) were GUILTY. So they stopped their ability to travel (too) far beyond their home planet (or where they were).

 

[picardjean-luc]

I like Georgiou but let's just keep it at Georgiou.

Agreed. I like some of her character growth, especially these past few episodes. However, I still have fears that by the time the show runners are done with her character, they'll erase all of her character development and turn her to become an ex Space Hitler now running Section 31 or another similar diabolical organization.

In short, they'll repeat the treatment they gave to Lorca to her just because they were both MU characters. Ohh, since they're from the Mirror-verse, they need to act eeee-vil. Bwa-ha-ha-ha!!

 

[picardjean-luc]

I was waking up in the middle of the night last night to go pee and I figured out what caused "The Burn".
It is "the sentence".

The Q have finally decided that humans (and all space-faring violent species) were GUILTY. So they stopped their ability to travel (too) far beyond their home planet (or where they were).

Sounds right to me

 

[Unimatrix Q]

It's interesting that the charts in "Scavengers" show a klingon and a cardassian zone for example and not the Klingon Empire or the Cardassian Union. Perhaps it's a hint that they are Federation members.

 

[LtChange]

A pretty good episode with some excellent moments but when at the end of the episode Saru spoke with Michael it was so empty .... I can't put my finger why. Was it the writing? Was it the director? Was it the score? Was it the acting? I don't know. the scene was good until the admiral left ... Just the Michael - Saru discussion threw me off. It is still an 8/10 for me.

 

[plynch]

Speaking of one note...

But I'm always right, ha ha.
This truly brought a smile (not a tear) to my eye. As I said above, I cry.
Ok, NEVER again will I write about this. So let it be written, so let it be done.

Oh, and she CAN "catch a break" with me, I said numerous times, I really like how she had humanized early S3, smiling, lively. She was again, in her bantering with Philippa this ep. I like that direction.

There. Done. Be well.

 

[Nyotarules]

Just watched it, will give it another go, but I read all the posts about Burnham and I do not understand the vitriol the character gets by some fans. So what if she cries, it was just at the end, not in every single damn scene she was in. She disobeyed an order from her commanding officer, has anyone seen Amok Time, The Search for Spock , Insurrection, Sisko and his dodgy borderline moral dealings? Its a Trek tradition that sooner or later the leading star or stars go off the Starfleet grid.
I gave it an 8 mainly for baddass Grudge, she deserves an episode dedicated to her and so does Linus!
(Semi) Seriously a good episode, and I agree, right now 32nd Starfleet and Burnham are not a good fit. I also agree with Admiral Vance, Saru and Burnham were both right and both wrong.
(Writers please do not turn Vance into bad/evil/clueless admiral who does not know what on earth he is doing for a damn change!)

 

[eschaton]

Michael crying in this episode made sense within the confines of the story, because she made a big mistake which let down many people she considered her closest friends.

The crying back in the previous episode though bothered me, because Michael wasn't really close to Nhan at all.

 

[Deledrius]

Well...Vance's orders are "safe" and cautious". If this were Kirk we'd be cheering him for breaking orders to find out what the fuck is going on...but because it's Burnham (and her "Cowboy Diplomacy", 23rd century ways)...its a problem for some. A shame.

A key difference is the narrative framing. The show is presenting a far more nuanced situation than TOS would give Kirk, and is overtly asking for the audience to read Burnham's choices in a way that includes her methods as well as her results. It also doesn't help that it feels like it's a regression due to her previous choices this season; the show is serial in nature and therefore these actions now have context that Kirk rarely had.

A total aside, but I wonder if anyone has asked Starfleet to contact that lonely dude on the broken station waiting for his entire life for a signal.

I miss him. The way he was introduced it seemed we would see him again for at least another episode, if not more. The time skip advanced the plot of finding Starfleet quite a lot faster than I personally expected. In fact, I hardly expected they would find so much of it intact at all. I hope they remember to include him and let him know what's going on eventually.

I don't have any issue with Michael being a screw-up in this episode. I have issue with how the narrative of the show sometimes shows her as a screw up for whom the chips fall in the right place at the 11th hour just because she's "the hero." Either let her be competent and show growth or let her be really, really wrong, but pick a lane.

I think that's the part that has me uneasy about things so far. The show does seem pretty clear that she's doing the wrong thing, but the consequences are light or even beneficial each time, which is only enabling her problems. I worry that at some point it's going to come down as justified, even though it can only be through persistence and luck. I want to see her grow, but so far that's not happening (or when it does, she backpedals).

 

[JohnR]

I'm pretty much over the plot threads of Burnham disobeys orders, Saru is surprised/disappointed. Actually, I was over those a couple of years back. Make her a permanent Rogue Specialist, or whatever StarFleet designation exists for somebody valuable who exists outside the chain of command, and be done with it. Or have her leave the ship and do missions with Book and Georgiou.

While we're at it, let's not have her cry for an episode. Just one. Let's try that.

 

[cultcross]

I would certainly like to see that Burnham's three years+ of character development (including time off screen) have taught her the lesson about insubordination, but it seems she is still quite happy to disobey orders whenever she feels like it. That was, to use Saru's phrase, disappointing. I'm sure this episode could have been nearly identical without that aspect, and respected the development of the character a bit more.

I found this episode enjoyable, but more middle of the road then the season so far has been. I probably rated it unduly harshly as a 6, but it felt at least two points below last week's 8. The stuff on the ship was largely great, but I found the A plot lacking in depth and a rehash of a plot we've seen on Trek many times.

 

[Lord Garth]

He's going to be in the Section 31 series.

He isn't. They're not going back to the 23rd Century. None of them are. Georgiou especially has no reason to go back. She was in the Prime 23rd Century for a hot minute. She has no real connection there.

Unless you have insider info that says otherwise (and isn't from two or three years ago), it doesn't look like the direction they're going in now.