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Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 3x03 - "People of Earth"

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Just gonna say that this season overall has basically melded the best aspects of Star Wars and Star Trek together. It's immensely satisfying to watch.

The episode itself was kind of weirdly paced and plotted, but I still like the vibe so far. 7.5 for me.
 
Perhaps because it doesn't feel earned and they over do it? We have seen characters on other shows hug and cry but it was much later down the line and those moments didn't come as often but when they did you felt it was genuine. Here it feels like a bunch of teens not in control of their emotions.
That may be part of it. It just feels over done.
 
Also, as far as writing a episode that espouses Star Trek ideals, there's a thin line between being subtle and being sledgehammer-didactic. And so far the writers have done a good job straddling that line. Saru's "try talking" is a better approach for modern TV than Archer's gazelle speech, for example.
 
Am I the only one who had weird feelings that Georgiou was acting kind of "Mom-like" by interrogating Booker when he came aboard Discovery?

She was definitely trying to figure out how Booker fit in Michael's life.
Even if it's not her Burnham, she still feels motherly feelings towards her. It's been that way since the first season.

She was trying to see if he's good boyfriend material for her "daughter".
 
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Probably many more badges on the walls we don't see. Poor Discovery is in dire need of a Ship's Counselor.
They could've picked a better place for a memorial wall than a random corridor corner XD

Dilithium is not a power source. It is used to regulate the matter anti-matter reaction in a warp core. I don't think subspace communication relays use warp cores, do they? So I am not sure why they would need dilithium. They can get power without dilithium.
But Dilithium isn’t a power source. It’s something that regulates the flow of a matter/anti matter reaction.
The "battery" for the fancy purple stripe tricorder in LDS looked like a red crystal... ;)
 
I've been thinking about Daniels' "that depends on how you define Earth" statement.
He could've been vague on purpose to not tell them that Earth as they know it will still be ok, otherwise they'd get lazy defending it :lol:
 
Honestly the abandonment of the offworld colonies in the solar system isn't that surprising to me.

Humans as depicted in Star Trek seem to have a very, very low reproduction rate. Very few characters manage to have children, even if they are middle aged. And if they do have kids they stop with 1-2 children. Sure humans live longer, but the human population should have been perpetually shrinking for centuries at this point. This probably led to the systematic abandonment of many offworld colonies due to sheer lack of interest.

It's a bigger question to be why a "research colony" on Titan would last for 1,000 years. What the hell is left to research on Titan after all that time?

It's basically a world ocean of hydrocarbons. If you have lost your primary means of energy production (and they didn't even have the means to radio back to Earth from Titan, something that's been done since the 80's) they must have really went through some hard times. You can live off of what titan provides. Not in style, of course, but if the sky is full of plunderers trying to get anything valuable, hunkering down for a generation or two in a place like Titan isn't a bad idea.
 
IMHO finding the cause of The Burn is stupid, and not the plot arc for the season.

Why bother? You can't un-explode the ships a century later. The dilithium that has survived works just fine. It's not an ongoing issue. I suppose vengeance? Seems easier to just find a dilithium planet somewhere though.

If someone caused the Burn, it's entirely possible that they have the means to undo the Burn. Replenishing dilithium stores so that people can travel freely at warp is a cause worth fighting for.

Moreover, the ones who caused the Original Recipe Burn would also have potentially the means for the Burn II: Dilithium Boogaloo, and no one wants that.
 
This is a franchise where distance and a starship's proximity to a threat are always presented in weird, illogical ways. The Enterprise is the only ship in interception range/the quadrant/etc. despite Starfleet having hundreds or even thousands of ships. Being within the same star system but "out of range" of the most advanced and heavily-inhabited planet in that system.

If full impulse is 167 million mph (VOY) and Earth and Saturn are 746 million miles apart at their closest points in respective orbits (Google) then it would take around 4.5 hours to get from Earth to Saturn at full impulse. I think 4.5 hours would have to be considered safely out of range.

None of this, of course, is to disagree with your contention that the franchise in general plays it fast and loose with this kind of stuff - but in this particular case, with (presumably) no warp capability on the part of Earth, it makes sense.
 
There are lots of reasons why Titan might have gone independent, just as colonies in actual Earth history became independent. But in the particular situation, it makes sense to me that an Earth that was in turmoil from the Burn and/or Starfleet picking up stakes would become insular and be like, "Colonies, you're on your own."
no doubts, but not even bothering sending an happy Christmas message once a year?

Dilithium is the most valuable commodity in the galaxxy because of the Burn, from everything stated on teh show this season. Why wouldn't they be raiding for dilithium?
More like “how”. Suddenly they have better ship than Earth’s...Until they’re actually very bad ships (but if they where how were they able to do the raids?).

Why is the story of it being a generaitonal story inherently silly, and who says they bought it? They did conduct a massive inspection and before things were through, it became clear that while the story was a lie, they were in fact a ship with Earth roots.

Why is it silly that the descendants of a generational ship would keep on wearing the uniforms of their ancestors?
If they were a ship from the 30th century the story would be fine. But if today we found a Roman galley with people in full Roman costumes pretending to be the descendants of a XIX century crew we would be very perplexed.

Where was it said that the Enterprise had only six, always?
The Alternative Factor.

Also, they burn crystals in WNMHGB and Elaan of Troyus, where the necklace is enough to restore power.

Where do you get that they are acting like they spent several years? Why couldn't it just be a very eventful year, in which they had a lot of adventures together, as opposed to several less eventful years?
In a few months she has had A LOT of adventures with Book, searches for the cause of the burn and even “gave up” on discovery.

Forgot to mention, I chuckled when tilly said she was always sure she would see Michael again: of course she was, from her point of view they were separated for a day or so!

Someone has got to man the fort, and Sahil probably is it. Of course, it may be that Sahil has gotten dispatched on his own adventures...or just dispatched. I'm sure we will revisit him before too long.
Hope so. Right now book has permanently moved to earth’s area and there are few reasons to go back.


Who says that EDF didn't know that the raiders were humans?
Well, what’s the point of the big reveal at the end and the immediate change of attitude, then?

Aside from the possible lack of resources, I think we were told about problems with subspace in one of these first couple of episodes.
even with a old-school radio titan is minutes away...

Why bother? You can't un-explode the ships a century later. The dilithium that has survived works just fine. It's not an ongoing issue. I suppose vengeance? Seems easier to just find a dilithium planet somewhere though.
Well, might be a good idea to understand what happened to find a way to prevent it from happening again.

Having Earth be the one to abandon the Federation instead of being the last bastion, the last hope, trying to keep it together feels like they are trying to make social commentary on Trump’s America and his America First desire to pull us out of NATO, etc... Honestly, it’s one twist I never would have seen coming. I would have expected Earth to be the brightest of those last 6 stars on the Federation Flag.
naaa, it would have been way too easy.
 
This is good advice to keep in mind. :whistle:

The older I get, the less I care about ship registry numbers matching up, or canon/timeline issues, or what the uniforms look like or what the ships look like. Short of straight-up, blatant in-universe contradictions, I just want to feel like the thing overall is authentic, that it tells a good story. All those other details are cool if you have the time and energy to think about it, but in the end it's all just window dressing.
 
I thoroughly enjoyed this episode. I must admit I groaned at the return of overly earnest Burnham in the opening narration, especially as they seem to have really veered everyone else's dialogue away from this overwritten style, but the episode quickly improved from there. I really enjoyed the story of encountering Earth and finding it wasn't what they'd hoped, and the subplot of the Earth/Titan conflict was handled very nicely and was very Star Trek.

Adira is an intriguing addition to the cast, I'm guessing given the promos that Starfleet command may now be on Trill? Thank God she isn't Dax. I liked the relationship they started to built with Stamets, although I think they have to be careful not to replicate Reno.
The Earth Defence Force need a new tailor; those uniforms are weird.

Tree hugging scene was a rather lovely ending, for a second I thought they were not going to show us Earth at all.

My one gripe is that Burnham seems like she's been gone for a lot more than a year, both in temperament and in what she has been up to. She and Book talk like it's been 5 to 10 years ("remember that time"...), not one. Given they had free reign in that, I'd have written it longer myself.

Oh, I have a second gripe, a silly one but something I've noticed Discovery doing before - overusing a turn of phrase. "A friend in the truest sense of the word" or "a captain in the truest sense of the word" work, not both within five minutes of each other from the same character.
 
That particular set was a little too nu-BSG for me, I hope it doesn't become a thing. I loved nu-BSG, but this doesn't seem like a very Starfleet thing to do.

It doesn't? Seemed entirely appropriate to me. It is a rip off of BSG's idea, but ignoring that, it didn't seem out of place. In fact, I'd have liked to see something like that on Voyager - when you only have a hundred and thirty or so crew, each lost person is going to sting that little bit more. Plus everyone has, as Tilly says, lost everyone they ever knew.
 
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