Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 3x02 - "Far From Home"

[Yistaan]

Speaking of Mirror Georgiou, couldn't every opponent just shine a bright flashlight in her eyes or something? It seems they've forgotten that contrived "Mirror" weakness they made up for Mirror Lorca back in Season 1.

Mirror Lorca was so frequently debilitated by bright light he had to fabricate an explanation for it because he couldn't hide it (which stretched believability as Starfleet doctors would have caught on to the deception). But Mirror Georgiou has not been affected at all.

 

[cultcross]

Tone is a huge problem with how they're handling Georgeau. Putting aside if DSC should be "didactic" or use a "sledgehammer," she's quippy and clearly intended to be funny and "kewl" every time she's on screen, even when she's doing horrible things that the other characters (and the show itself, maybe?) disagree with. So it becomes, like, are we supposed to root for this shit or not?

Completely agree. Also, she's a cartoon bad guy amongst a cast of otherwise fairly 3D characters, at least by Star Trek standards. She doesn't really fit.

 

[Tuskin38]

Potentially. We know the president has some authority per DS9, but we don't know how much or how much oversight there is.

He is the Commander in Chief according to DS9. While the CiC in ST6 appeared to be a Starfleet officer.

 

[Yistaan]

He is the Commander in Chief according to DS9. While the CiC in ST6 appeared to be a Starfleet officer.

Things could have changed in the century between ST6 and DS9

 

[fireproof78]

Speaking of Mirror Georgiou, couldn't every opponent just shine a bright flashlight in her eyes or something? It seems they've forgotten that contrived "Mirror" weakness they made up for Mirror Lorca back in Season 1.

Mirror Lorca was so frequently debilitated by bright light he had to fabricate an explanation for it because he couldn't hide it (which stretched believability as Starfleet doctors would have caught on to the deception). But Mirror Georgiou has not been affected at all.

Surgery. Simple fix. Lorca was not planning on staying around long so why worry?

I don't find it contrived at all. The Mirror universe was always shot slightly darker and it followed just fine from the overall concept.

She doesn't really fit.

This will sound flippant and it is not meant to be but I genuinely do not think she is supposed to fit.

Things could have changed in the century between ST6 and DS9

Things are not supposed to change in Star Trek Land!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Nyotarules]

Speaking of Mirror Georgiou, couldn't every opponent just shine a bright flashlight in her eyes or something? It seems they've forgotten that contrived "Mirror" weakness they made up for Mirror Lorca back in Season 1.

Mirror Lorca was so frequently debilitated by bright light he had to fabricate an explanation for it because he couldn't hide it (which stretched believability as Starfleet doctors would have caught on to the deception). But Mirror Georgiou has not been affected at all.

Section 31 cured her?

 

[Gepard]

Completely agree. Also, she's a cartoon bad guy amongst a cast of otherwise fairly 3D characters, at least by Star Trek standards. She doesn't really fit.

Exactly. I tend to forget she's even in the the show until she shows up, and when she does, she doesn't have any real purpose, beyond being a get-out-of-jail free card for whatever sticky situation the other characters are in. It's kind of awkward watching them stand around while she does whatever before she disappears back into the memory hole.

You know, the non-Trek franchise character she reminds me the most of is Hela from Thor: Raganrok, but the character type works a lot better there -- first off because everyone is quippy and cartoony in that movie, but also because Hela represents one of two extremes of imperialism vs. pacifism, with Thor having to walk a middle path between the two. So it serves a purpose to have a leatherbound genocideal quip machine in a story like that. What's one doing in DSC, though?

 

[fireproof78]

Section 31 cured her?

Would make sense to me in order for their operatives to be able to operate in multiple environments.

 

[eschaton]

Exactly. I tend to forget she's even in the the show until she shows up, and when she does, she doesn't have any real purpose, beyond being a get-out-of-jail free card for whatever sticky situation the other characters are in. It's kind of awkward watching them stand around while she does whatever before she disappears back into the memory hole.

You know, the non-Trek franchise character she reminds me the most of is Hela from Thor: Raganrok, but the character type works a lot better there -- first off because everyone is quippy and cartoony in that movie, but also because Hela represents one of two extremes of imperialism vs. pacifism, with Thor having to walk a middle path between the two. So it serves a purpose to have a leatherbound genocideal quip machine in a story like that. What's one doing in DSC, though?

I think this gets at part of the problem with Kurtzman Trek in general. CBS clearly wants their own "Marvel" franchise to compete with Disney, and it's trying to ape elements of the MCU. Which means big characters with big personalities, lots of random quips, etc.

I am not a fan of superhero comics in general, but I know many people are here, so I'll try and not say anything which incidentally offends. But Trek heroes are not emphatically not superheroes. Even ones who have extraordinary powers by human standards are just depicted as ordinary folks who do the best to complete their work in a collaborative workplace environment. For example the whole trope of an "origin story" doesn't really make sense in Trek, because who a character is is not really defined by what they did in the past, but instead by what they choose to do in the current moment.

 

[fireproof78]

I just don't see Trek trying to be Marvel. I think they are wanting a broad sweeping content that appeals to multiple people and are less concerned with interconnectivity within each show.

And I think Kirk could often be depicted as being superhero-esque.

 

[eschaton]

And I think Kirk could often be depicted as being superhero-esque.

Kirk is kinda a James Bond style figure, but not really a true superhero. Though the Kelvinverse tried to make him one with the whole tragic origin story thing.

 

[Yistaan]

I am not a fan of superhero comics in general, but I know many people are here, so I'll try and not say anything which incidentally offends. But Trek heroes are not emphatically not superheroes. Even ones who have extraordinary powers by human standards are just depicted as ordinary folks who do the best to complete their work in a collaborative workplace environment. For example the whole trope of an "origin story" doesn't really make sense in Trek, because who a character is is not really defined by what they did in the past, but instead by what they choose to do in the current moment.

I agree with a lot of what you say, however Sir Patrick Stewart at the height of his X-Men work noted a lot of similarities between the TNG characters and the X-Men and even said something like characters from one series would fit quite easily in the other (can't find the link now sorry).

However, this may be due to the X-Men being portrayed more as "regular" people who just have mutations and not universally praised superheroes like the Avengers and Justice League.

 

[fireproof78]

Kirk is kinda a James Bond style figure, but not really a true superhero. Though the Kelvinverse tried to make him one with the whole tragic origin story thing.

I mean, he had tragedy in his backstory before, so I don't see much difference between the two...

Mileage, etc.

 

[USS Firefly]

Good episode.
Less Burnham and more of rest the crew was great!

 

[Isaac Lawrence]

Kirk is kinda a James Bond style figure, but not really a true superhero...

Yeah, he had his superhero moments.

Point taken, though.

(And when did CBS All Access get "The Cage"? I just noticed that today. Or has it always been there? And I see it's on the website, and on the Roku CBS All Access app, but not on CBS All Access through the Apple TV app. Weird.)

 

[Ar-Pharazon]

I feel like they could have given Burnham 2 or 3 years before Discovery showed up. That would be even more powerful than "I've been waiting a year".

It would give any comics or novel writers more time to work with as well. Even a short Trek or two could "go there" better than some flashbacks.

 

[Yistaan]

Yeah, he had his superhero moments.

Point taken, though.

(And when did CBS All Access get "The Cage"? I just noticed that today. Or has it always been there? And I see it's on the website, and on the Roku CBS All Access app, but not on CBS All Access through the Apple TV app. Weird.)

As far as I know CBS All Access has always had the Cage but frustratingly to me not the remastered Cage (I had to buy the blu-ray Star Trek Origins for that as I wasn't really willing to get a TOS Box set just for the remastered Cage)

 

[Isaac Lawrence]

As far as I know CBS All Access has always had the Cage but frustratingly to me not the remastered Cage (I had to buy the blu-ray Star Trek Origins for that as I wasn't really willing to get a TOS Box set just for the remastered Cage)

That's entirely possible.

I usually only watch Star Trek through the Apple TV app. So I have CNN or MSNBC or sports on on the TV, and I have two huge monitors with Star Trek on one monitor, and the interwebs or work or whatever on the other monitor.

I could have sworn "The Cage" was only on Netflix, though.

Either way, cool. I did not know it was there.

 

[BillJ]

Imagine reading 900 years of history, including how friends and families turned out, and perhaps having distant relatives in that far future, and being interviewed by historians who got everything wrong XD

History can only be as good as what information gets passed down.

Someone has to be next in line if the Federation President gets assimilated, beamed into space, or turned into a space lizard. Whether that person is called Vice President or Vice Chancellor or Assistant Prime Minister or Number 2 Person of the Fed doesn't matter, nor if s/he is a glorified coffee person or the Section 31 power behind the Presidency. The fact of the matter is there has to be someone who takes over if the Fed president is unexpectedly incapacitated or killed. In that sense, the position has to exist.

The US number two is traditionally weak, but number three in succession is the Speaker of the House, a person who wields quite a bit of power.

He is the Commander in Chief according to DS9. While the CiC in ST6 appeared to be a Starfleet officer.

Could have just been the highest military officer in the Federation, still reporting to the Federation president.

 

[fireproof78]

I feel like they could have given Burnham 2 or 3 years before Discovery showed up. That would be even more powerful than "I've been waiting a year".

It would give any comics or novel writers more time to work with as well. Even a short Trek or two could "go there" better than some flashbacks.

I think there is potential there, but I struggle with it at the same time. Largely because passage of time is something Trek really struggles with and what kind of changes could potentially occur, especially in a new environment.

So, more powerful, but probably poorly handled.