Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 2x09 - "Project Daedalus"

[CommanderRaytas]

Mar·y Sue [Mary Sue] NOUN (originally in fan fiction) a type of female character who is depicted as unrealistically lacking in flaws or weaknesses.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary_Sue
"A Mary Sue is an idealized and seemingly perfect fictional character. Often, this character is recognized as an author insert or wish fulfillment.[1] They can usually perform better at tasks than should be possible given the amount of training or experience, and usually are able through some means to upstage the main protagonist of an established fictional setting, such as by saving the hero."

One the male side we have "Gary Stu". My favorite example of which is Doc Savage.

Anyway, neither is bad in and of themselves. So what if Burnham is a "Mary Sue"? Men have been and still are allowed their "wish fulfillment," why not provide women with an equal opportunity for release? Perhaps the term should be banned here as it seems to be code for a misogynistic POV. Burnham is no more or less a "Mary Sue" than Kirk is a "Gary Stu." If women and girls draw inspiration and strength and a confidence from the "Mary Sue" known as Michael Burnham then that's great!​

And that should be the final word on the matter. Well put.

 

[Rhodan]

That bugged me too, but I figured it must mean that the sensors thought it was in the opposite direction to where it was and that was relative to the orientation of the S31 base. The show already showed us it understands orientation in space with the first encounter of the Klingons in S1.

We really should concentrate on transporter issue. That is a case for the court!

 

[zenophite]

I'm not so much concerned with whether Burnham is or is not a Mary Sue. IMO it's just that she is simply the least likable character on the show.

 

[Jadeb]

As much as I like Burnham, Tilly and Airiam had more chemistry in the span of one episode than her and Tyler throughout their entire relationship. Saying this as someone who really liked their farewell scene in Season 1.

Personally, I’d like to see more scenes like Tillly and Ariam and fewer like Tilly babbling at Cornwell.

 

[zenophite]

Personally, I’d like to see more scenes like Tillly and Ariam and fewer like Tilly babbling at Cornwell.

I can't agree more.

 

[SJGardner]

Personally, I’d like to see more scenes like Tillly and Ariam and fewer like Tilly babbling at Cornwell.

I didn't have a problem with that either, but a little bit of variety never hurts. I do understand why many people would like to see more scenes fleshing out the relationships among the crew though. Building up Airiam might have worked for me and her death did have an emotional impact on me at the end, but that's only my personal viewing experience.

 

[Nyotarules]

He said "not the only" not "not the first" - maybe they became fashionable after he was born...

100 years after Phlox probably figured out how Lorian was created? I doubt it.

 

[Doc Mugatu]

Just can't let it go?

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Unfortunately, I have trouble seeing youtube links in this forum. Also, at the time I responded I hadn't yet known the gun had sounded on the topic. My bad.

Edit: Funny, I can see the link in the quote but not the original post.

Btw, ARGH! I truly dislike Disney's Frozen. The pain. THE PAIN!

 

[CommanderRaytas]

Unfortunately, I have trouble seeing youtube links in this forum. Also, at the time I responded I hadn't yet known the gun had sounded on the topic. My bad.

I think your post did have something other (and positive) to offer in its conclusion, so no worries.

 

[fireproof78]

Anyway, neither is bad in and of themselves. So what if Burnham is a "Mary Sue"? Men have been and still are allowed their "wish fulfillment," why not provide women with an equal opportunity for release? Perhaps the term should be banned here as it seems to be code for a misogynistic POV. Burnham is no more or less a "Mary Sue" than Kirk is a "Gary Stu." If women and girls draw inspiration and strength and a confidence from the "Mary Sue" known as Michael Burnham then that's great!

The term carries with it a lot of negative baggage and weight at the moment. So, perhaps a different descriptor would be appropriate?

 

[DaveyNY]

Like perhaps the Star of the Show.

 

[Captain Shaw]

Someone on tumblr posted this from star trek 3
https://stra-tek.tumblr.com/post/183521663303/is-this-another-airiam-like-cyborg-in-the

 

[Lord Garth]

Like perhaps the Star of the Show.

We have a winner!

 

[Michael]

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Someone on tumblr posted this from star trek 3
http://lady-hexham.tumblr.com/post/183521706813/is-this-another-airiam-like-cyborg-in-the

Wow, good catch! They do look similar.

 

[JoseNoodles]

View attachment 8624
Someone on tumblr posted this from star trek 3
https://stra-tek.tumblr.com/post/183521663303/is-this-another-airiam-like-cyborg-in-the

Well I'll be...

Any behind the scenes images or info on that character? Was it intended for them to be a machine, or just an alien with armor like skin?

 

[Captain Shaw]

Well I'll be...

Any behind the scenes images or info on that character? Was it intended for them to be a machine, or just an alien with armor like skin?

I don't know of any more info I'm afraid.

 

[XCV330]

Wow, good catch! They do look similar.

Also a scene that showed holograms were definitely a thing in that era.

 

[CRM-114]

I didn't have a problem with that either, but a little bit of variety never hurts. I do understand why many people would like to see more scenes fleshing out the relationships among the crew though. Building up Airiam might have worked for me and her death did have an emotional impact on me at the end, but that's only my personal viewing experience.

From some of the reviews I've read, you're far from alone with regards with Airiam.

 

[XCV330]

From some of the reviews I've read, you're far from alone with regards with Airiam.

I agree on that, though I can also see the kind of debates that must have been had about that behind the scenes. i suspect everyone knew it needed to be done once the decision was made, but HOW to shoehorn those scenes without being extremely obvious about it might have been more difficult. It didn't help that they were introducing new interesting characters like Nhan, Linus, giving characters like Pollard, Bryce, Detmer and Owo more lines than before while at the same time trying to find some way to make Airiam's death pull some remaining heart strings.

Any lack of gravitas felt by Airiam's death, i think is partly due to the show opening up a bit more for more characters, though also at the expense of that belowdecks life it could have shown instead.

 

[Rhodan]

I just want this discussion to be TRANSPORTED into area of plot holes!