Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 2x03 - "Point of Light"

[oberth]

And of course their communicators would be in one of their shoes.

okay i got it - seen it in a german dubbed version, though

 

[Ovation]

How do you know you're not going to like something before you have watched it? Also, why aren't you “just watching it for the fun in it”?

I try different shows but if, after a few episodes, I’m not “hooked”, then I’m gone. What I DON’T do is keep watching it so I can continually, or even sporadically, criticize it.

As for “just watching for fun”, I do that for 90% of everything I watch. Life’s too short for me to do otherwise (the other 10% is potentially material I might use in class, so that gets a more critical assessment).

One can certainly offer critical observations of entertainment but to keep returning to something that is personally unappealing just to remind others of that point (in some vain hope of converting others to the cause? Or just to piss people off?) seems...unproductive and unpleasant.

 

[Jadeb]

I think it's worth remembering that Discovery can only exist because a core group of die-hard fans stuck with Trek through thick and thin. Let's be careful about urging people to go away.

Beyond that, it seems silly to expect people to just give up on something that is, for many, a lifetime investment.

 

[Michael]

I agree with everyone that “hate watching” as a concept seems very ridiculous to me. At the same time, though, I think it's unnecessary to paint practically everyone who criticises things in the show as someone who hates the show and continues to watch despite of it.

 

[marlboro]

okay i got it - seen it in a german dubbed version, though

The show or the movie? The show from the 60s is a classic. It ran way too long but the first season still holds up, imo.

Michael Dunn (Plato's Stepchildren) was in the very first episode as a matter of fact.

 

[nutshell]

The only thing they did was add hair, everything else about their looks is identical to Season 1.

Much of the clothing seemed different too. I can’t put my finger on it, but it just seemed off.

 

[Campe]

I agree with everyone that “hate watching” as a concept seems very ridiculous to me. At the same time, though, I think it's unnecessary to paint practically everyone who criticises things in the show as someone who hates the show and continues to watch despite of it.

I have no problem with someone being critical with their opinions. I think there are some great posters who can see the good and bad in the show and suggest as much. Nothing's perfect. Being able to be critical in a constructive way is great. I appreciate the opposite viewpoints. But those who wish to find any little thing to bring something they claim to care about? Well, those people are just exhausting. (And yes, there are those who are as exhausting that sing nothing but praises about their favorite shows.)

 

[DEWLine]

Okay, here we are...and are those the Federation-Klingon border outposts I see on that screen? I want to say Outposts Delta-4 through Delta-8...

Apologies for the picture quality. Cellphone camera taking an image from the TV-PVR replay...

 

[nutshell]

The only thing they did was add hair, everything else about their looks is identical to Season 1.

Actually, the prosthetic is different. Check it out (pic at top of page): https://trekcore.com/blog/2018/10/chancellor-lrell-new-look-for-star-trek-discovery-season-2/

 

[urbandefault]

Not every change in art direction requires an in-universe explanation or means that, ohmigod, it's a whole new continuity. It's a TV show, not actual history. Just chalk it up to artistic license and move on.

Preach it, brother.

 

[IMC Headquarters]

All they need now is a line from Micelle Yoeh when she fires and misses saying: "Missed it by THAT much!"
(If you're under 50, you probably won't get the above reference. )

Eh...sorry about that, Chief.

 

[oberth]

The show or the movie? The show from the 60s is a classic. It ran way too long but the first season still holds up, imo.

Michael Dunn (Plato's Stepchildren) was in the very first episode as a matter of fact.

the show of course - the movie is sth that should be forgotten asap

as to the holding up part - i needed to rewatch it for that (the german dubbed version was rather stOOpid, though)

 

[BillJ]

Not every change in art direction requires an in-universe explanation or means that, ohmigod, it's a whole new continuity.

But what has happened with Discovery isn't a subtle change, or a change of one component (like the Trill between "The Host" and DS9), it is wholesale change.

For me, what they did puts Discovery in its own continuity.

 

[marlboro]

the show of course - the movie is sth that should be forgotten asap

as to the holding up part - i needed to rewatch it for that (the german dubbed version was rather stOOpid, though)

Well, it might not actually hold up that well for most people. I have a soft spot for 60s tv. It's a pretty silly show, but I liked it. 99 had an incredibly sexy voice, so I hope the German dubber did her justice.

The problem with many 60s sitcoms is that they had enough material for one solid season and then rehashed the same jokes for years. Season 5 could be as funny as season 1, but only if you hadn't already seen season 1.

Hell, they did a reunion movie in the late 80s and they were still using the same jokes. John de Lancie was it fwiw.

 

[nutshell]

Not in my headcanon it hasn't.

Don’t you mean in your headcontinuity? Lol

 

[137th Gebirg]

I didn't say the Shenzhou was a two-level bridge, I said a two-level set. Comparing screenshots they do appear to be the same albeit altered set. Notice the same wall structures, doors and consoles even.

Ah, now I know what you meant - good catch! It almost looks like a double-moving live matte, like they filmed people walking around on the "upper" level that was the Shenzhou bridge, likely from an opening in the floor below (as it does appear elevated), and shooting the same area from above down below to put it all together.

 

[Noname Given]

But what has happened with Discovery isn't a subtle change, or a change of one component (like the Trill between "The Host" and DS9), it is wholesale change.

For me, what they did puts Discovery in its own continuity.

Much like the TNG era was for many in 1987. I mean please, the Klingon change between TOS and TMP was a wholsale change' for their look; and that look wasn't consistently maintained afterwards (there's plenty of threads on that already.)

My point: Some claim 'wholesale changes' (myself occasionally as well) when in fact, it's just a change we really don't care for.

 

[Tuskin38]

FYI - during S1 the Shenzhou bridge was a redress of the Discovery bridge set

No it wasn't.

Not trying to be difficult, but they did state in BTS interviews that they were the same set in S1.

No, they meant the Corridors and Transporter room were shared sets, the Bridge was not. The bridges were two separate sets. The Shenzhou set was two levels (the under level being all Green Screens because of the underside windows), while the Discovery bridge was not.

The Shenzhou bridge set appears to have been remodelled into Section 31 set we saw in this episode.

 

[shapeshifter]

"Just watching it for fun" often means "just turn your brain off" imo. Which is fine for some things. Not so fine for others. It's all a matter of taste. I usually (but not always) prefer Trek to be thought provoking.

I don't watch DSC with my brain turned off. I see problems when they occur same as anyone else, it's just they don't become the focus of my viewing experience. I want to have a good time watching, not stressing over whatever overused trope, narrative device or whatever else is twisting fans shorts into a bunch that week.

Warts and all, Discovery scratches my TOS itch like no p/sequel before and I am thankful for what it gives me.

 

[Vger23]

I don't watch DSC with my brain turned off. I see problems when they occur same as anyone else, it's just they don't become the focus of my viewing experience. I want to have a good time watching, not stressing over whatever overused trope, narrative device or whatever else is twisting fans shorts into a bunch that week.

Warts and all, Discovery scratches my TOS itch like no p/sequel before and I am thankful for what it gives me.

THIS

I see faults in almost every DSC episode, and certainly in the execution of the overall narrative as well. But it doesn't detract from my enjoyment. I gauge something on whether it entertains me or not. Chagrined fans on the other side of the argument like to get all pissy about that and claim that's just us (as purely apologetic fanboys) being stupid and "turning your brain off," but that's bullshit.

I don't pride myself on being an over analytical fan. I pride myself on being one who either organically enjoys the damn show or doesn't. And I've been on both sides of the fence with various series and movies, so it's insulting to be rationalized away as someone who eats whatever has the brand name on it. It's due to my enjoyment, not due to my analysis.

And if people who are suffering through their own disappointment want to rationalize that and make themselves feel smarter/more superior by saying "you need to turn your brain off to enjoy it," that's their problem.

I'm happy. They're not.

Who's winning there?