*locks door so Eddie can't say anything like that again*
Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 2x03 - "Point of Light"
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[*It was all worth it*]
Oh no you din't.
DS9's second season is lacklustre at best and probably one of the weakest seasons overall in the franchise. The first, though? Totally different story. Emissary is the best Trek pilot, A Man Alone and Past Prologue do a great job establishing this new Trek and the world of DS9, Captive Pursuit, Progress and Dax are strong standalones, and it ends with Duet, a contender for best. episode. ever. and In the Hands of the Prophets.
It's got some dross like all the first seasons (although Move Along Home and The Forsaken are the only ones I think are unwatchable) but recently I've really begun to appreciate what it does have to offer.
ENT a weak first season? There are some really good episodes and even gems in Season 1. Many of the worst episodes of ENT are in Season 2 and even 4 when you include the finale.
The first season has arguably the strongest pilot episode since the two TOS pilots. "Broken Bow" was and remains a great story with a lot of suspense and impressive cinematography and effects.
The first season has arguably the strongest pilot episode since the two TOS pilots. "Broken Bow" was and remains a great story with a lot of suspense and impressive cinematography and effects.
Remember to take your earrings out before attempting to rip out Vger23's weave
I find myself interested at how the Emperor had changed since she came over from the Mirror Universe. Her cute reaction to the baby and when she was seen by Ash made me wonder exactly how 'real' the Mirror Universe is, and the people living in it. And what living in the Federation Universe affects them, maybe even changes them.
Since it is nuts that the MU would produce duplicates by chance regardless of the different histories has made me wonder if it is at all real in and of itself, and if it is some kind of projection of the Fed universe, or even a lab or game for some omnipotent life form or race. Lorca was, after all, not the same character when he crossed over, and it does seem that the Emperor isn't exactly the same either, and migh be adopting something of her Fed Universe self from that versions patterns that might have been used to create her..
Since it is nuts that the MU would produce duplicates by chance regardless of the different histories has made me wonder if it is at all real in and of itself, and if it is some kind of projection of the Fed universe, or even a lab or game for some omnipotent life form or race. Lorca was, after all, not the same character when he crossed over, and it does seem that the Emperor isn't exactly the same either, and migh be adopting something of her Fed Universe self from that versions patterns that might have been used to create her..
I liked the episode. I don’t like section 31 though, it makes a lie of the federation being based on principles of honesty and respect. The Federation has effectively installed and propped up a Klingon leader to their liking, that can’t end well. The decapitation of the Klingon infant was a bit much too, even though I suspected it was fake.
The "Federation" did not put L'Rell in charge.
Burnham did it? (Only seen it once. The wife HATES Discovery.)
Even if Saru approved, it was still Michael's plan to alter the leader ship and development of a post warp species with only star ship (acting) Captain level approval.
If Burnham and Saru had taken a beat, and consulted the admiralty, or the Federation Council, it's doubtful that this is the plan, or the Patsy that they would have approved of.
Burnham did it? (Only seen it once. The wife HATES Discovery.)
Even if Saru approved, it was still Michael's plan to alter the leader ship and development of a post warp species with only star ship (acting) Captain level approval.
If Burnham and Saru had taken a beat, and consulted the admiralty, or the Federation Council, it's doubtful that this is the plan, or the Patsy that they would have approved of.
I don't like it either. And as I mentioned earlier they could f*ck this up badly, if Spock does turn out to be a psychopath that is somehow fixed by Burnham.
Initially they said they won't recast Spock as it is too iconic a character. But after that initial hesitation they are showing a lot of guts by making him a central part of season 2 arc and creating a new backstory for him. The producers seem confident about this, so I am hoping they will pull it off. But at this point I am skeptical.
I've just finished watching it, and once again, it left me wanting for more, so here's to that. We've got a few answers to the whole Red Angel mystery that immediately raised new questions; it might be an old trick, but why change it if it works? Season 2 continues to deliver the right mixture of action and drama, and I loved the focus on family and motherhood for this one.
As for the little things I took note of and liked:
And of course, last but not least, I loved Tilly's plotline again, how everyone immediately saw how something was amiss about her (but then again, she did look like someone who hasn't slept for days), and I was pleasantly surprised by everyone treating her condition professionally and her immediately cooperating and telling everything when prodded instead of continuing to insist nothing was wrong just for the sake of drama.
As for the little things I took note of and liked:
- I loved how Starfleet's protocol for an approaching ship not identifying itself was followed to the letter by Pike... I actually laughed when I immediately thought of how stupid Kirk was in comparison with the Reliant.
- Loved the new Klingon look as well, with the new variety of hairstyles and facial hair, especially that guy with the Mongolian-looking moustache in the first scene. Give me some more TOS-esque Mongolian Klingons please.
- The D7! I hope we'll see her in action as well soon.
- Section 31's involvement and the way they helped L'Rell turn Kol-Sha's plot to her (and of course, the Federation's) advantage... I know many people don't like the very idea of Section 31, especially how they're using all these dirty tricks to promote Federation geopolitical interests and of course how they're constantly overused by newer Trek installments, but I found them being used well this time.
And of course, last but not least, I loved Tilly's plotline again, how everyone immediately saw how something was amiss about her (but then again, she did look like someone who hasn't slept for days), and I was pleasantly surprised by everyone treating her condition professionally and her immediately cooperating and telling everything when prodded instead of continuing to insist nothing was wrong just for the sake of drama.
I rated it 5, a "meh" episode.
The last episode was in the Trek spirit (though I don't think the show has anything to do with Trek)*, but the writing and pacing of this one was poor.
* Most everything about this show bugs me. One character stated to the effect that Pike was the only one besides his grandmother who still uses a screen to communicate. Yes, let's ignore all the previous Trek and use cool holograms to communicate with instead. The forcefields, heck, even the bridge window, still annoys me.
The last episode was in the Trek spirit (though I don't think the show has anything to do with Trek)*, but the writing and pacing of this one was poor.
* Most everything about this show bugs me. One character stated to the effect that Pike was the only one besides his grandmother who still uses a screen to communicate. Yes, let's ignore all the previous Trek and use cool holograms to communicate with instead. The forcefields, heck, even the bridge window, still annoys me.
Somebody also needs to correct all the "Red Angles" spellings.
That's an acute issue.
May the fleas of a thousand tribbles infest your crotch.
solid 9 from me! I predicted one specific point that was revealed in this episode (waaaaay back during when season 1 aired): L'Rell was indeed pregnant with Tyler / Voq's child! Can't recall which thread it was in, but it's there in my post history, somewhere...
Overall - a great ep! Looked like it was filmed using more cinematic cameras / filters? Whatever the method, this ep looked very moody and filmic!
I quite like the new Section 31 vessel - very Vengeance-esque.
Loved also seeing the new D-7!
Really? I thought it was funny and awkwardly opposite of the way we communicate today. Nobody uses the phone, but we like to text. For them nobody uses a screen, they prefer the more intimate holoprojection. And if you really hate it because 50 or 30 years ago the show could only muster screen communication, which for the time was beyond our capabilities. Now we can actually come close to holo projection. Of course a fantasy future will have tech that is better than we do now. I don't understand why people like you watch if you cant get past it not being like ancient Trek. Do you use 1 kindle per book, just to align with 90s Trek tech?
As for the episode, I liked most of it. The "Burnham did something evil to Spock and Spock is a murderer part was definitely meh, but the Klingon / Section 31 stuff shows promise. It also appears like the spore story is leaning towards Stamets is evil because the spore drive is harming the network and must never be used just like the Federation should stop using Warp..... I mean I get it, it needs to go away, and there needs to be a really good reason, it's just that TNG did this and then forgot about it 30 years ago.
ent IV ends with the terra prime two parter 
7/10
I actually thought the Klingon scenes were much better plotted than season one. But like others here, I felt the episode revived too many themes I didn't like from that season; Vulcan extremists, the Kissinger Doctrine, etc. Either way, I thank the show's creators for stepping back from the controversial production designs of season one - that was very very welcome.
I actually thought the Klingon scenes were much better plotted than season one. But like others here, I felt the episode revived too many themes I didn't like from that season; Vulcan extremists, the Kissinger Doctrine, etc. Either way, I thank the show's creators for stepping back from the controversial production designs of season one - that was very very welcome.
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