Nonsense. They can still put him on trial for high treason. And attempted murder.
Or just maroon him to a planet. If Kirk had the authority to do it in a time of peace so can Lorca in a time of war.
Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 1x07 - "Magic to Make the Sanest Man Go Mad"
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Nonsense. They can still put him on trial for high treason. And attempted murder.
Or just maroon him to a planet. If Kirk had the authority to do it in a time of peace so can Lorca in a time of war.
As TIC as this is, this may be the very reason why we don't hear a single thing, retroactively, in TOS about Discovery's exploits. All the more reason to assume that S31 is at work here.
High treason, yes (presuming Mudd is a Federation citizen, which I do, but I'm not 100% it's actually been confirmed). Attempted Murder, probably not. He never attempted to kill anyone on the final loop. He held people at gunpoint, but based on the situation that would be more along the lines of piracy, armed robbery, grand theft starship, etc. The previous loops are utterly unprovable and Stamets' testimony is legally questionable.
Starfleet captains have a wide latitude with how they decide to punish people. They also have a sick sense of humor and will typically find the most torturous thing they can find that doesn't require them to go to court, because they don't want to be tired down with legal battles when they could be out exploring (or warring in Lorca's case).
Leaving Mudd with Stella and her father? Probably the worst thing Lorca could do to Mudd that would stick. Anything else is escapable, or overkill.
Leaving Mudd with Stella and her father? Probably the worst thing Lorca could do to Mudd that would stick. Anything else is escapable, or overkill.
That's pretty much what Lorca did, though. He drives off in his new father-in-law's pimpmobile and his controlling/psychotic future wife. It's more or less the same sentence Kirk gave Mudd for doing EXACTLY THE SAME THING in "I, Mudd"
What consequences? The episode concludes with this exchange:
SEVEN: And in spite of the accidental interference with history by the Earth ship from the future, the mission was completed.
SPOCK: Correction, Mister Seven. It appears we did not interfere. The Enterprise was part of what was supposed to happen on this day in 1968.
KIRK: Our record tapes show, although not generally revealed, that on this date, a malfunctioning suborbital warhead was exploded exactly one hundred and four miles above the Earth.
SEVEN: So everything happened the way it was supposed to.
So it didn't matter that the crew made mistakes (or did they?), because time travel. Apparently everything was preordained.
They can charge him with that. What will be proven in court and what the verdict and sentence be is something else altogether.
The controlling/psychotic future wife is our foreknowledge based on the TOS episode and not from “Magic...”. The DSC characters don’t have a way of knowing that.
And Mudd was marooned in the planet by Kirk in the end of “I, Mudd” just like I suggested Lorca should have done above.
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I'm really fearful that the time crystals will be back as a big giant reset button they mash at the end of all of this.
What does Lorca leaving him have to do with this?This makes no sense is unbelievable. .Lorca attitude does not..we can agree or not but that has nothing to do with this.
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You mean like Kirk did when Mudd tried to hijack the Enterprise with his androids, and strand the crew on a planetoid?
Cool.
How is that not "The effect, result, or outcome of something occurring earlier"?
Yeah...there's that too. I hope they don't chicken-shit out with that.
That's where the two Mudd's really don't match up. One is comically inept, the other one not so much.
It is, but another definition of consequence is "importance or relevance." The action has no relevance to the characters, because they don't have to take responsibility for their actions. In that sense, it is inconsequential, which is the sense we normally talk about in a dramatic presentation.
And in the end Kirk marooning/imprisoning him on the planetoid instead of letting him leave scot-free? Yeah, that’s exactly what I mean!
I'm not sure leaving Mudd with Stella is much of a punishment. He didn't seem to have much trouble getting away from her before, and again at a later date.
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I don't consider Mudd comically inept at all. Sure, he's portrayed that way on TOS, but look at what he did manage, look at what he's almost managed, just on TOS. This is a con artist, someone who has no scruples, and a more than willingness to sell someone into slavery. The brogue, music and laughter at the end of the episode doesn't take away from Mudd's malevolence. Rainn Wilson's Mudd is definitely more hard edged, but for all we know he lightens up a bit over 10 years, or at least gets better at hiding his nature.
He left him on a planetoid instead of transporting him to a Federation facility with a capable legal system. A planetoid with the very androids he used to hijack the Enterprise. Again, someone like Mudd tends to wriggle out of bad situations. Leaving him to his own devices on a planetoid is essentially letting him go.
I think that's relatively unlikely. The interview we had a thread on this week we talking about the Trekverse progressing over ten years towards TOS, and certainly the inference was that we are watching something 'real', no mirror universe reveals, no reset buttons (except perhaps in single episodes).
I think the time crystal might be relegated to the Genesis Cave Store of Forgotten Superweapons. It can get there by transwarp beaming.
Yeah the resolution is the weakest point of this episode, and is where the fanwank positively dribbled out of the story. A shame, because Mudd was working better this week until that point.