Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 1x07 - "Magic to Make the Sanest Man Go Mad"

[MvRojo]

Because every Betazed's a telepath.

The only way you're going to steal something on that planet is if you're a Ferengi.

That's probably why the time crystal was so helpful in allowing him to refine his plan until he was able to beat the Betazoids.

 

[QueenTiye]

So why don’t Saru’s threat ganglia work?

Inquiring minds want to know!
QT

 

[Fateor]

Or have a time crystal. This may be the point.

.A time crystal only lets you accomplish things that are possible.

Due to Betazed telepathy that wouldn't be one of them.

 

[Crazyewok]

Maybe they look like parties in 1942 or 1517, or everyone gets stoned on the holodeck (which they do have) experiencing japanese medieval zen gardens

Ok....getting stonned on the holodeck sounds like fun.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

.A time crystal only lets you accomplish things that are possible.

Due to Betazed telepathy that wouldn't be one of them.

Telepaths aren’t unbeatable.

 

[Tim Thomason]

.A time crystal only lets you accomplish things that are possible.

Due to Betazed telepathy that wouldn't be one of them.

There must've been something else to aide him in combatting Betazoid telepathy, outside of the time loops.

But then, now that I think about it, Betazoids probably have somewhat lax security, since they would rely on their telepathy to spot would-be thieves.

 

[Romulan_spy]

And tell me, what does a party in the future look like?

It would probably involve music and drinks that are popular in that future time period which might not be the same as what are popular now. After all, do we party like the 1700's? No, we do not.

 

[matthunter]

My thoughts - Burnham is Seven redux yes, but SMG does a great job of it, and her ability to convey emotion or puzzlement at emotion with a look is a tad better (just) than Jeri Ryan's.

Drunk sociable Tilly is bestest Tilly, right down to gently letting down the guy who tried to kiss her. Good on her for not following stereotypical nerd girl standards.

Stamets is fucking awesome.

Loved Burnham's play with the Gobstopper Of Doom.

Mudd's fucking scary - but if you think he wasn't like this in TOS, you're kidding yourselves - vindicative and perfectly willing to kill if he has to - just in TOS he's a bit older and fatter and prefers to let others do his dirty work.

And yay Detmer got some! At least we can hope it didn't get affected by the reset. She's very attractive, but even by "Hollywood Disfigurement" standards her injuries are quite blatant, so good on the show for demonstrating that people can look past such things.

 

[Mr Awe]

Yeah at first I wanted to hate it, just like the time crystals, but then after a second or so of getting over myself I thought "jesus that's effing cool"

Ditto! And, we already have the magic FTL crystals throughout all the Trek series, so there is a precedent for powerful crystals. Not to mention the new magic spores that go faster than FTL!

 

[137th Gebirg]

I'm thinking Harry Mudd stole his wrist thingie from Captain Jack Harkness.

Also, "Random Communications Officer" was hilarious

Agreed - it was borderline meta without fully shattering the fourth wall. Very good writing and execution there.

Picard's crew all played ancient Bach and Beethoven at recitals, so why wouldn't they also enjoy the BeeGees?

Probably because they all had duranium rods surgically embedded firmly within their rectums?

 

[Mr Awe]

So is this kind of complaining - at least sixteen years old on this BBS alone.

Those of us who were fans of Enterprise back in its first year ranted and railed over the posters who tore the show apart in the Enterprise forum. What the hell was wrong with them and why couldn't we have a place where folks who liked the show could just enjoy themselves?

We were told that it's a discussion board, not a fans-only space.

It's not so much a complaint, more that I just feel really sorry for those people. Life is too short.

 

[davejames]

I gave this some thought after the episode. Why would the crew be playing ancient dance music at their party? This would be like playing music that was used to do "The Cakewalk" from the late 1800's. I suppose it could be one of those retro things where everything old is new again.

When I think f the way music has changed over the last years, it is hard to reconcile the choice of music.

I don't know, pop music from the 60s and 70s is very different to pop music today, but it still works just as well and is really fun to listen to, so I don't see that ever changing.

And in any case, I definitely prefer it to the generic "future rock music" we usually get on scifi shows.

 

[matthunter]

.A time crystal only lets you accomplish things that are possible.

Due to Betazed telepathy that wouldn't be one of them.

You have a very limited imagination.

Ironically enough, that's one of the tactics you can use to beat telepaths - force (or it may come naturally) your thoughts to be as mundane as possible. Focus on minutiae, like when you're nitpicking a DSC episode. "I don't like Burnham"... "The tech here isn't canon!".... "Tilly bugs me!!"... "WAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHH!!!!"

To us, or our hypothetical telepath, we've heard this shit so often we can't tell which episode you're on about... or which vault you plan on robbing.

 

[Tesophius]

I don't know, pop music from the 60s and 70s is very different to pop music today, but it still works just as well and is really fun to listen to, so I don't see that ever changing.

And in any case, I definitely prefer it to the generic "future rock music" we usually get on scifi shows.

From their perspective the difference between 1970 and 2020 is as irrelevant as the difference between 1620 and 1670 is to you. It was very different to people back then too, but as time passes it all just blends in.

 

[ThatChapThere]

Liked Mudd leaning on the fourth wall. "There are so many ways to destroy this ship, it's almost a design flaw". Fans have been saying that for years.

I've long ago given up being critical of DIS in the same way I would TNG. It just seems to be a waste of my time. I now largely base my judgement of episodes on how much enjoyment I derive from watching them, by which metric this episode is by far the best yet. It was unquestionably Trek as well. The groundhog day plotline I would have hated if done badly, but I felt it was pulled off pretty well. Since I don't watch through the entirety of TNG every few months, I don't really care that this episode is (shock horror) somehow parallel to one of the 700+ established episodes.

Major irk: Burnham says that as first officer her position made partying inappropriate. I find it hard to image in what crazy parallel universe Riker would not party. I'm gonna go with that being a horrible excuse on Burnham's part.

 

[Vger23]

It's either STD, Discovery or maybe I'll let a Disco slide here or there, but not a DSC. How do you pronounce that, DISQUE or DEE ASS SEE? It's the worst abbreviation in the history of Star Trek.

You pronounce it "Dee-ess-see."

It's the same convention as TNG or DS9 or any of the other abbreviations for the films or series.

Not sure what the confusion is, other than intentional heel digging to irritate people.

 

[Gonzo]

7th Episode was great.

Added a nice extra dimension to Burnham, Stamets, Tyler and Tilly.

Lorca took a back seat in this episode but it did no harm.

He should have shot Mudd dead though, then again perhaps that would have been a mercy he didn't deserve.

I do think it would be a shame if Tyler ends up being Voq, would be a waste if you ask me.

Episode gets a solid 8 from me.

 

[Tuskin38]

You pronounce it "Dee-ess-see."

It's the same convention as TNG or DS9 or any of the other abbreviations for the films or series.

Not sure what the confusion is, other than intentional heel digging to irritate people.

They pronounce 'DSC' in episode 3 as 'Disc'.

Is it Barron Grimes, or "Baron" Grimes?

The subtitles give the name with 2 Rs, startrek.com's databank gives it as 2 R's

But in an earlier scene, Tyler refers to him as 'The Baron'.

 

[Tesophius]

It's not the confusion, it's the fact that DEE-ESS-SEE doesn't really roll off the tongue. STD has a better sound to it, other than the more popular use of this acronym.

 

[Boomer359]

I think the problem I had was: The crew of DIS that we saw at the party weren't college aged. I could understand yunger people get this wild, especially with the prospect of a war going around. But for adults I expected them to act a bit more mature - DS9 was IMO very good in the portrayal of how officers at wartime spent celebrating events.

It's not that I dislike the portrayal of DIS. I just think there is a disconnect going on - between the fluffier side of Trek, a bunch of nerds going on an adventure (which I absolutely do see partying hard!) vs. a seasoned warship full of combat veterans having a rare celebration at the front lines. The show doesn't seem to be too sure of itself what it wants to be. And turns out to be a weird mix between the two.

I'm not sure their ages much matter. I recall law school parties being pretty similar to college parties, and everyone there was in their mid to late 20s. I think people with common goals, stuck together in small groups for long periods of time and under high stress tend to blow it off in similar ways, regardless of age.

Still requires a fair bit of imagination to assume they would cure all instances of someone's legs not working, and you still have human sensibilities to keeping their limbs.

I'm not saying I can't imagine what you say, I think it'd be interesting, but it's still not much for me to assume that people would have injuries that aren't fixable.

Also, having some limits does work to aid in creating danger or drama.

Re-watching the scene, I think it's the actual wheelchair that caught my attention more than the mere presence of a dude in a wheelchair. It seems rather bulky for Star Trek future tech. So much so that I wonder if the actor was disabled and what we're seeing is his own chair.