Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 1x07 - "Magic to Make the Sanest Man Go Mad"

[Ryan Thomas Riddle]

Naw, man. Just make it a little bit more self-aware. Again: DS9 was pretty good at this stuff.

Not trying to challenge here, just wanting to understand: how should it be self-aware and why?

Having grown up around the navy, most of the people I know that served occasionally need to not be self-aware of the war. To give themselves a moment where the war isn't the only thing defining their lives.

 

[Borgminister]

If a 5 year old thinks of "sexually transmitted disease" looking at STD, shame on the parents.

 

[Charles Phipps]

If a 5 year old thinks of "sexually transmitted disease" looking at STD, shame on the parents.

Playgroudns are full of jokes kids don't get.

 

[XCV330]

Naw, man. Just make it a little bit more self-aware. Again: DS9 was pretty good at this stuff.

Vic Fontaine's place was in the same holosuites that people used to screw holograms in. I hope they sanitized it before loading his program. I'll take dancing to Al Green to "Vulcan Love Slave pt 2" or whatever it was Bashir and O'Brien REALLY got up to, any time.

 

[Ensign Mas]

I don't know if I like or dislike this episode. The writing was atrocious and you can easily fly a Constitution-class through all the gaping plot holes and things that didn't make sense at all in this episode. Mudd as a cold-blooded murderer flies right in the face of the character that we knew (and among the things that didn't make sense was how the heck they had time to track down Stella and her father and how the heck they got there in only a few minutes)... Nope, as much as I like Rainn Wilson as Mudd, the change from a scoundrel to a murderer and traitor is unforgivable.

Still, by Discovery standards it was a fairly decent episode and with the sampled Bee Gees I give it an extra point: 6/10.

 

[Worf2DS9]

Aside from the overly long, wooden Burnham monologues at the beginning...

Yeah, it was nice to finally get another log entry with a stardate, but she does tend to go on and on.

Not bad but I can only give it a six due to it being an obvious copy of "Cause and Effect."

Were you one of those who also thinks The Force Awakens is an "obvious copy" of A New Hope? An episode can use the same or similar concept without it being a copy or a ripoff.

 

[Tesophius]

What reasons?

It would be an imagination of science to "assume" any and all leg and spinal injuries could be fixed in the future, it's possible there would still be certain limits to medicine.

In my head I don't think it's that odd. Now someone could "choose" to have their legs lobbed off and use advanced prosthetics but, many people would have a hard time accepting a loss of even a useless limb.

Artificial limbs/body parts
Exoskeleton
Regenerative/Biological replacements
Nanobotic treatment that rrverses the nerve damage

These techs are in the early stages now (although it's been decades since initial ibtroductions) but no futurists are forecasting for them to take centuries to mature

 

[GeekUSACarl]

Artificial limbs/body parts
Exoskeleton
Regenerative/Biological replacements
Nanobotic treatment that rrverses the nerve damage

These techs are in the early stages now (although it's been decades since initial ibtroductions) but no futurists are forecasting for them to take centuries to mature

Still requires a fair bit of imagination to assume they would cure all instances of someone's legs not working, and you still have human sensibilities to keeping their limbs.

I'm not saying I can't imagine what you say, I think it'd be interesting, but it's still not much for me to assume that people would have injuries that aren't fixable.

Also, having some limits does work to aid in creating danger or drama.

 

[Ryan Thomas Riddle]

Our very own @Mark 2000, writer/illustrator of Trekcomic.com and creator of the Klingon Propaganda animated short, has written an great review of the episode.

Check out his review "Why Magic Makes the Sanest Man Go Mad is Better than Cause and Effect."

 

[Mr Awe]

Not sure what's more sad, you getting worked up about people commenting about the show on a messaging board about this show or people expressing their objective criticisms of it.

Um, reading comprehension? I'm the opposite of worked up. I have sympathy for them.

But, by *your* logic, you're commenting about someone commenting about someone commenting!

 

[Spot's Meow]

This was my least favorite episode so far, which is surprising to me because I usually love time manipulation episodes.

I thought the party was really out of place and did not fit with the time period or the characters. And I really don't like the Tyler guy (I'm still convinced he's a Klingon spy) so Burnham buddying up to him was just annoying.

I just wasn't really a fan.

 

[Ometiklan]

Well cybernetics and gene therapy are both banned in Star Trek.

Just wanted to add my two cents, that neither of these is true. Also, as GeekUSACarl says, it is certainly logical that not all injuries could be fixable or immediately fixable. Because we see several instances of leg/spinal injuries that aren't fixable we know for certain this is true - even in Trek in the 24th century. And just because we have hypothetical or early stage medical science in development now doesn't mean 1) it has any bearing on this fictional universe - even if it is a general projection of our future is is not intended to be 100% a projection of now, 2) that the science ever actually be actualized in real life, or 3) that it will cure all leg/spinal injuries.

 

[137th Gebirg]

Stardates are mostly rubbish.

Much like starship NCC registry numbers, it seems.

 

[137th Gebirg]

Spoiler: What ship?

I thought it was the Buran but the second letter looks like an "A".
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What ship is this from next week's preview?

Looks like an update from the Franklin lineage, right down to the super-big window on top of and in front of the saucer. It gives an idea of scale, which seems to be on par with the older Franklin design. And since the Franklin was so old, pre-split, it could work in the prime timeline as well.

So why don’t Saru’s threat ganglia work?

Was wondering that myself. Unless the existence of temporal interference emanating from Mudd's time crystal thingy was preventing Saru's ganglia from activating properly.

 

[davejames]

That was just an incredibly fun episode. Even though the time loop idea is something we've seen before, they still managed to make it seem surprisingly fresh and different here. Especially with someone like Mudd involved, and the montages and dynamic direction.

And I never expected Stamets would become such a fun and hilarious character, but he was awesome as well. And Lorca's snarky comments and complete disinterest in the space whale had me cracking up too.

Only thing that didn't work for me was the Burnham and Tyler relationship, as I'm just not seeing any chemistry between the two whatsoever.

 

[zar]

The love of a man. How old fashioned is that?

As old as time, I've heard.

we don't know if TAS is canon

You're a bit of a one-trick pony, aren't you?

Honestly, unless we're all children, is there any reason why STD has to be discarded?

Because it breaks the rules, and without rules, we might as well be Denebian slime devils. The rules are, if the title is multi-word, it's an initialism (TNG, DS9); if single-word, it's the first three letters or three interspersed letters (ENT, VOY/VGR, DIS/DSC). "ST" shall not be used in the abbreviation, excepting that it is immediately followed by three title letters, of which the number shall be three, not two. One is right out.

 

[Tesophius]

Final Verdict
A remarkably unremarkable episode, that could have easily been a filler in DS9/VOY/ENT as well. In fact, I think a little less self-serious environment might have actually worked in it's favour a little.

I agree that it could have been a filler episode in DS9/VOY/ENT and that's exactly why this was the best STD episode to-date.

 

[Spider]

If we're still listening to rap in a couple of hundred years we've regressed as a musical species.

But then, it's a TV show, and a party with young people has to have rap I suppose. The only time I ever listen to rap is when I'm stopped at an intersection and I'm hearing it from another car. To loudly, I might add. Actually, come to think of it, I don't even listen to rock anymore. Jesus fucking christ I'm getting old.

 

[Tuskin38]

I agree that it could have been a filler episode in DS9/VOY/ENT and that's exactly why this was the best STD episode to-date.

it is a good DSC episode as well.

 

[guyute03]

*opens thread again*
*sighs*
*closes thread*
*touches laptop with one of Mudd's dark matter balls*