Same here. Love DS9. Best of the Berman era Trek by far.
Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 1x05 - "Choose Your Pain"
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I'd wager most people in real life would do that after being shown the torture implements and seeing the effects of torture on their cellmates. The bravest individuals might choose themselves to be tortured maybe once.
Just as an aside Starfleet in general is not looking good. Lorca losing his ship and crew. Georgiou getting killed and the Shenzhou floating around like a big bloody vault of information for the enemy to exploit. The Glenn. What with the Buran, the Glenn and Shenzhou, the Klingons don't have to do anything! Starfleet are their own worse enemy 
Yet, that's exactly what you're suggesting for Lorca.
Evil? No. But certainly a dick move, even though Mudd had it coming.
I liked when Lorca left Mudd behind. It was a very non-starfleet thing to do. Archer, Janeway, Picard, not even Sisko would have left him behind. Regardless, leaving him behind is part of a greater story which is to come.
If I take you and two other people hostage, and tell you YOU have to decide which of those three I will kill, NO ONE is going to blame you or call you a murderer afterwards if you chose someone other than you.
If you overpower me, escape, and THEN tie up one of the other two to be left alone with the murderer, you WILL be trialed for assistance to murder. It's really that easy.
What was really weird was when Michael first arrived on Discovery, Saru seemed quite protective of Lorca, basically telling her that he will not let happen there what he felt he allowed to happen on the Shenzhou. Then, only a couple episodes later, he's spitting out Lorca's name with much vitriol after she manipulates him into using his "threat ganglia" to ascertain whether or not the tardigrade is a threat, implying she's just like Lorca and she'll fit in well there.
I don't think Saru's going to get clipped before the season's done, I think he's going to flat-out resign his commission. He appears thoroughly disgusted by Starfleet in general and humans in particular.
If you read the comments, you'll see that it's not the discussion of the criticisms that are a problem. It's the accusations of being inferior for enjoying the show that is problematic. Ironically, it's the opposite of what you describe. A few of those with criticisms don't seem to be willing or able to defend their criticisms.
On the whole, the discussion have been good, civil, and interesting except for those cases of accusing Discovery fans of being war crime loving folk. Oh, and slack jawed too. Ha!
I liked it when Bush put people without trial into Gitmo. It was a very non-American thing to do. Clinton, Bush Sr., Reagan, not even Nixon would have done that. Regardless, doing that is part of a greater story which is yet to come.
Greatest season ever!
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Hush now! Do not confuse the issue with facts. It befuddles some people.
Except that's not what happened. Lorca didn't inform a collaborator of his plans and didn't take him on a risky escape. Lorca would not be punished afterwards. In fact, it would've been massively incompetent of Lorca to involve a collaborator in an escape attempt.
I guess some people are just content to share their likes and let them stand as a reflection of their reaction and some people their critiques. Sometimes it's not about defending or refuting but just expressing
Agreed. It's the usual musical wallpaper that's existed in Trek since the 80's. TOS had ICONIC music. Hear a few bars and you can remember exactly which episode it was from. Even TAS music, while horribly overused, was more memorable than anything that came later. TNG had the one semi-operatic movement from BOBW invoking the Borg and, of course, "Inner Light". As much as I loved DS9, it had no music I can clearly recall. Voyager and Enterprise? Feh. Discovery follows in that tradition. The film scores were so much better, IMO.
You might be mistaking "rooting for" with "interested in." I think he's an interesting character. Not sure that we're supposed to be rooting for him. I'm guessing he's a character who needs to be redeemed. We're just in the early stages of that arc.
Orville is MUCH better than TNG. (IMO).
Well, they're free to share but they should not be surprised when they're asked to defend them. This is a discussion board after all.I guess some people are just content to share their likes and let them stand as a reflection of their reaction and some people their critiques. Sometimes it's not about defending or refuting but just expressing
It's the accusations that are much more problematic though.
You REALLY need to check up what the word "collaborateur" means, and in which types of context it is used. This is not one of them.
