Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 1x01 - "The Vulcan Hello"

Discussion in 'Star Trek: Discovery' started by Commander Richard, Sep 24, 2017.

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Rate the episode...

  1. 10 - Awesome!

    11.1%
  2. 9

    12.1%
  3. 8

    21.9%
  4. 7

    18.1%
  5. 6

    8.5%
  6. 5

    9.0%
  7. 4

    5.5%
  8. 3

    5.0%
  9. 2

    2.5%
  10. 1 - Terrible!

    6.3%
  1. Logopolis

    Logopolis Commander Red Shirt

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    It's a...7 out of 10 for me.

    I watched the first two episodes as a single pilot....it was ok.

    I like:

    - The production

    - Opening credits

    - Set and costume design

    - The overall look

    - The fact that the show does not have the Captain as its central protagonist



    Not liking as much:

    - The cast (apart from Michelle Yeoh, the cast aren't really making an impression on me)

    - Unmemorable characters and moments

    - Predictable death of a certain character



    In fact, it's possibly the least memorable Trek pilot i've seen.



    I'll stick with the show since i'm a Trek fan and it's costing me nothing extra to watch. For now, it's competent but i'm not fully engrossed as I was in previous Trek pilots. But, again, i'm looking forward to seeing where Michael's journey takes us.



    I suppose this episode...



    ...this serves more as a Prologue? Like an origin story and the real series, in terms of the crew, ship and overall journey begins next week?
     
  2. Michael

    Michael In alignment with canon Moderator

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    Yeah, that's right. Doesn't make a lot of sense. It is true Star Trek then. ;) :lol:
     
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  3. Rahul

    Rahul Commodore Commodore

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    I was not a fan of the holo-communicator, the klingon cloaking device, or the look of the klingon fleet (shouldn't there be a few D7 out there? With them being "all" the houses and stuff? I hate the klingon re-design, but even more that, despite the redesign, the klingons are more clichéd than ever.

    However, all of that concerns only canon. Which is secondary to the plot and characters in my book. It is there where they did an extremely mixed job. I thought the introduction was great. But it was WAY too dependend on previous Trek lore - I'm NOT going to recommend that to my non-Trek friends! They won't get much out of it. And while I'm a big fan of how they began their story, I'm not a fan of the direction they're taking it - Trek had enough war stories. This is one isn't bringing anything new, or frankly interesting to the table.
     
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  4. psCargile

    psCargile Captain Captain

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    "Hey, can we kill the overhead lights so I can see my holographic display?"

    "Low light levels have the potential to create tripping hazards, but I see what you mean."

    "What's better yet? If we adopted 'gumdrop' switchology. They work perfect under nominal ambient illumination, are ergonomic, and don't strain the eyes."

    "Good idea. Draft up a white paper and send it Starfleet Engineering. I'm sure they will see the merit of your proposal."

    Oh and, who destroyed the subspace communication relay? Why the cloaked Klingon ship!

    I don't like knowing the answers that the crew have yet to find. Had it turned out to be Harry Mudd, that would have been surprising.
     
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  5. YLu

    YLu Lieutenant Commander Red Shirt

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    That scene serves the important role of being the 'save the cat' moment. For those unfamiliar with the term, it comes from a book on screenwriting called, coincidentally, Save the Cat. From Wikipedia:

    As big time fans, we take it as a given that Starfleet is a noble, benevolent institution and its officers likewise, but other viewers won't be going in with that assumption. To them, Starfleet's just going to look like some space military at first. Hence the opening scene to establish our leads' hero creds. Without that scene, they'd have been acting purely in self-defense across most of the two parter, working to protect their own hides from the Klingon threat: Not an immoral motivation, but not an altruistic one, either.
     
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  6. sumbuddyx

    sumbuddyx Captain Captain

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    The desert scene was basically just Into Darkness' opening scene but better/worse worse/better.
     
  7. YLu

    YLu Lieutenant Commander Red Shirt

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    That scene serves the important role of being the 'save the cat' moment. For those unfamiliar with the term, it comes from a book on screenwriting called, coincidentally, Save the Cat. From Wikipedia:

    As big time fans, we take it as a given that Starfleet is a noble, benevolent institution and its officers likewise, but other viewers won't be going in with that assumption. To them, Starfleet's just going to look like some space military at first. Hence the opening scene to establish our leads' hero creds. Without that scene, they'd have been acting purely in self-defense across most of the two parter, working to protect their own hides from the Klingon threat: Not an immoral motivation, but not an altruistic one, either.
     
  8. cultcross

    cultcross We truly were a song of ice and fire Moderator

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    I'm going back and forth on the idea of doing a 'flashback' pilot. Or a prologue pilot, or whatever you want to call it. I've had a little (very little) creative writing teaching, and one of the things that was hammered home was 'start your story as late as possible'. That is to say, superfluous setup is usually poor writing technique, and you should start at the latest point at which it will still make sense to your audience because by definition anything before that is unneeded. I obviously haven't seen episode 3 yet, but I'm willing to bet that a cold open on that episode would have worked fine, with detail about what happened in the Shenzhou incident dribbled in as necessary as we went along. Especially given the fact that only three characters seem to carry forward (and I'm not sure how much Sarek will be in it from now on) I would question whether this was strictly needed. It carries the risk of seeming like a single completed story, too, without the draw to tune in for episode 3.
    On the other hand, I'm very glad we got to see part of Starfleet being explorers, before the war began. It gives me hope for more of that, and establishes Burnham's character as one who fundamentally wonders at the universe and its mysteries. It should also help prevent them from abandoning their premise, Voyager style, by week 4, by showing their Tom Paris' crimes front and centre. Imagine how Voyager might have been different if the pilot had shown the Maquis raider carrying out a bombing or something. Also, laying it all out for us to see allows us to have a fuller understanding of Burnham's journey through the first season and what exactly she has lost.
     
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  9. Rahul

    Rahul Commodore Commodore

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    Coincidentally - that was my favourite part of the 2-part episodes: Star fleet travelling around the universe, visiting strange new aliens and planets, doing good, and bickering while doing it. That was my "Star Trek moment" of the premiere.
     
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  10. CorporalClegg

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    I once read a great quote by King on this. I wish I could remember it. It was in reference to Carrie and I remember laughing at it.

    But yeah, the gist of it was something about throwing away the first few chapters you write because they're never needed.
     
  11. EnsignRicky

    EnsignRicky Commodore Commodore

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    It's as if The Orville and Discovery are the result of some kind of a "The Enemy Within" type malfunction.
    Too bad there's really no way to fix it; We could have had ONE really good show.
     
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  12. cultcross

    cultcross We truly were a song of ice and fire Moderator

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    *Captain Janeway to the Transporter Room*
     
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  13. Rahul

    Rahul Commodore Commodore

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    Yeah. I think having the first two episodes being the equivalent of the "Kelvin"-cold opening of ST09 was a creative misjudgement.

    They should have jumped right to the meat of the story - the Discovery - around during the middle of the first episode.
     
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  14. Campe98

    Campe98 Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

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    Oddly enough, I was typing this up as you were, Rahul. I agree.

    Obviously, its hard to say for sure until I watch the first few episodes with Discovery actually in it, but I can't help but think they could have done so much better with the structure of this if they designed the whole Shenzhou part of the story as a flashback with the story showing how and why Burnham failed while the story started on Discovery.
     
  15. CorporalClegg

    CorporalClegg Admiral Admiral

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    As I noted in the Orville thread months ago, I said they should have given the franchise to MacFarlane back when he first asked for it.

    I still think so.
     
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  16. Serveaux

    Serveaux The Man Premium Member

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    That's absurd, and incorrect. It was absolutely nothing other than a marketing tactic.

    Let me tell you how many pennies "courtesy" is worth to CBS...
     
  17. cultcross

    cultcross We truly were a song of ice and fire Moderator

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    I couldn't be more glad they didn't, I don't get on with anything MacFarlane has made that I recall. I don't 'get' him.
     
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  18. Serveaux

    Serveaux The Man Premium Member

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    That's an oddly unobservant claim from someone who says that they're a writer.

    (Of course, that's something that anyone who might be paying attention will have many opportunities to throw back in my face. :lol:).
     
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  19. cultcross

    cultcross We truly were a song of ice and fire Moderator

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    Technically all the pilots so far (apart form TOS) have been two parters. Does anyone actually watch them split up anymore? I don't even know where the episode break is on any of them off the top of my head.
     
  20. Serveaux

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    Me neither. He seems right on target to me.