News Star Trek: Discovery – Adhering To Canon

[Jackson_Roykirk]

You're just excusing breaking continuity because Romulans are something you like. Which is cool. But shows just how important continuity really is to most folks.

I don't want to break continuity. I don't want Romulans and the Federation meeting in DSC.

As I said in the 2nd post on this thread, there are ways for Romulans to be included in an episode without having the Federation come in any contact with them.

 

[BillJ]

They said in the article they can't use the Romulans because of TOS canon.

Which is just flat fucking stupid. If someone had a great story idea using the Romulans, then they should have used the Romulans.

War with the Romulans would have at least been something we hadn't seen before, instead of beating the Klingon dead horse yet again.

 

[F. King Daniel]

They said in the article they can't use the Romulans because of TOS canon.

If they really wanted to, they'd have made up some silly excuse. Like Enterprise did.

 

[BillJ]

Are you going to reply to my actual post, or just cherry pick tiny bits out that you find easy to reply to?

Why waste time replying to non-sense?

 

[Tuskin38]

Which is just flat fucking stupid. If someone had a great story idea using the Romulans, then they should have used the Romulans.

No they shouldn't have.

If they really wanted to, they'd have made up some silly excuse. Like Enterprise did.

They could still do a Romulan episode, just not have any Visual communications, or have them only interact with non-starfleet personnel.

 

[BillJ]

No they shouldn't have.

So then continuity is the most important thing.

 

[Tuskin38]

So then continuity is the most important thing.

I never said it wasn't.

They could just rewrite that good story with another species.

 

[Smoked Salmon]

Why waste time replying to non-sense?

In other words you are not interested in a conversation. My post was clearly not "nonsense". It was an articulated argument. You are clearly just interested in brow beating people with your declarations of what should be, and to hell with any conflicting views, misrepresenting other fans as you go. I'll leave you to concentrate on bullying others out of your echo chamber. I'm out.

 

[BillJ]

I never said it wasn't.

That just blows my mind. Honestly. I seriously don't know how you could be a Trek fan to begin with, because none of this stuff meshes well at all when you really look at it.

 

[BillJ]

I'll leave you to concentrate on bullying others out of your echo chamber. I'm out.

I've never bullied anyone here and think you should take that remark and apologize for it. If nothing else, it is the people who have stated they are treating the show as a reboot that have been bullied by canonistas.

 

[Tuskin38]

That just blows my mind. Honestly. I seriously don't know how you could be a Trek fan to begin with, because none of this stuff meshes well at all when you really look at it.

The small stuff, but not major plot points.

The no visual communication between the Federation and Romulans is a major plot point in BOT

 

[Tuskin38]

I'll leave you to concentrate on bullying others out of your echo chamber. I'm out.

Ok that isn't is true. BillJ did no such thing.

 

[Smoked Salmon]

I've never bullied anyone here and think you should take that remark and apologize for it. If nothing else, it is the people who have stated they are treating the show as a reboot that have been bullied by canonistas.

Apologize? I have no intention of apologising for that any more than you intend to apologise for treating me as unworthy of a proper response and dismissing my comments as "nonsense" - a tactic you employed first.

As for not bullying people here, just look at the effort you are putting in to shutting down and ridiculing anyone who doesn't agree with your view of canon. Hundreds of condescending posts. Telling people they aren't even fans.

 

[BillJ]

The no visual communication between the Federation and Romulans is a major plot point in BOT

But it is a plot point that makes zero sense. I knew that when I was ten years old. They never recovered any bodies? It was supposedly a bloody war.

It is just tough to buy.

 

[Tuskin38]

But it is a plot point that makes zero sense. I knew that when I was ten years old. They never recovered any bodies? It was supposedly a bloody war.

That can be easily explained dozens of ways.

 

[BillJ]

That can be easily explained dozens of ways.

I just don't see it. "Balance of Terror" is a great episode, but would've been a totally different episode if the writers knew they were writing part of a three century saga.

Even the novels have bent that particular piece of canon.

 

[Jackson_Roykirk]

They could still do a Romulan episode, just not have any Visual communications, or have them only interact with non-starfleet personnel.

My story idea would be some mysterious alien "something" or some strange natural phenomenon that both the Romulans and the Federation have a common interest in studying and/or obtaining -- but that common interest is unbeknowst to either side.

The episode could follow the effort of both sides trying to study this phenomenon, but running into difficulties caused by this phenomenon (with neither knowing the other is there -- or instead each side knowing "someone else" is out there, but can't get good sensor lock because of interference from the phenomenon.

The episode could key on the dichotomy between the Federation's reason for wanting to study this phenomenon with how it differs from the Romulan's reasons.

So we -- the audience -- would see both sides, and get insight into the psyche's of both sides, but the two sides would not have interaction with each other.

Actually, the first part of Balance of Terror was something like this -- with we the audience being more privy to what was going on on "both sides" than the two sides were about each other. That's a case of the audience being more privy to, and knowing a lot more about, the minds and motivations of the Romulans than Kirk and Co. knew.

 

[Mudd]

Doctor Who - revived by fans, still running 12 years later.

JJTreks 1 & 2 - made by non fans - controversial in fandom
Beyond - Made by fans - most well received Kelvin film in fandom

Provided they are also talented, the idea that fans shouldn't work on their favourite franchise is utter hogwash.

This is opinion and cherry-picked data that you're trying to pass off as statements of fact.

First, there were both fans and non-fans working on every one of those projects.

Secondly, you pick a carefully phrased yet terribly undefined criterion - the supposed collective opinion of "fandom" - by which to measure the success of the productions you do decide to cite.

If you used a measure of, I dunno, how many people paid how much money for the opportunity to see those films - you'd get a result that pleased you less.

Uh, yeah - "money isn't the only measure of success" - but it does happen to be quantifiable. What you believe that "fandom" thinks is not.

Third, you just ignore inconvenient stuff that muddies the hard bright lines that you're trying to draw - such as the fact that one of the two or three most popular Trek movies ever, TWOK, was written, directed and produced by non-fans.

You can call that kind of thing an "articulated argument" if you like, but it's really a collection of unsupported assertions.

BillJ is not being unreasonable in his response.

 

[Smoked Salmon]

BillJ is not being unreasonable in his response.

He was being rude and unreasonable in his response (or like thereof) to post #52, not the post you quoted....which was ignored and dismissed with "Why waste time replying to non-sense?".

But of course, he agrees with you on canon, so it's not as if you're going to criticise his approach is it?

 

[BillJ]

He was being rude and unreasonable in his response (or like thereof) to post #52, not the post you quoted....which was ignored and dismissed with "Why waste time replying to non-sense?".

If you thought I was being rude, I apologize.