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STAR TREK:COUNTDOWN...Should It Be Canonized as Background for Movie?

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I don't think allowing THIS one set of graphic novels to be canon would upset the grand order of things in any meaningful, long-lasting way. We got almost no backstory to the new movie save for Old Spock's meld with young Kirk on Delta Vega, and that sequence lasted all of...what? One minute and some change? Paramount doesnt canonize books and most other non-screen materials for good reasons but in this case they should make an exception because of the stunning lack of background and buildup to the new movie's plot.
 
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No. I didnt like the idea of Worf being in the Klingon force, im still waiting for him to come back and serve as a starfleet officer! There were other things I had issues with, like picard's postion. The only part I did like is that it showed that data had been re-surrected through the B4-U. That should be cannon. The rest should not. But obviously I cant pick and choose, so no the comic should not be cannonized.
 
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cooleddie74 said:
I don't think allowing THIS one set of graphic novels to be canon would upset the grand order of things in any meaningful, long-lasting way.
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Yes it would. If this one movie turns into a 20-movie juggernaut by 2050, or there-abouts, you'll still be holding the new screenwriters to a comic that fell into obscurity in 2010. Licensed tie-ins are read by 1%, on average, of the viewing audience. They are written to complement the parent product, not instruct its screen sequels. They don't stay "in print" forever.

Similarly, one reason why Filmation's TAS got dropped out of canon was that, when TNG was being made, TAS was simply unavailable to the general public. It wasn't airing on TV, wasn't readily available to new TNG viewers via VHS anymore, etc. It had fallen into obscurity. So ST canon was defined as "live action, as screened".
 
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Canonization? Has the comic led to any miracles?
 
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Therin of Andor said:
Similarly, one reason why Filmation's TAS got dropped out of canon was that, when TNG was being made, TAS was simply unavailable to the general public. It wasn't airing on TV, wasn't readily available to new TNG viewers via VHS anymore, etc. It had fallen into obscurity. So ST canon was defined as "live action, as screened".
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Not so much. TAS came out on VHS in 1989, and it aired on Nickelodeon for many years, starting in 1985, I think.
 
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SonicRanger said:
Not so much. TAS came out on VHS in 1989, and it aired on Nickelodeon for many years, starting in 1985, I think.
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In the US, but the screenings had seemingly ended by TNG's height of popularity, and it was a common catchcry to hear even US TNG fans saying, "What's TAS?"
 
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TAS was partially sorta canonized insofar as Spock's childhood details from "Yesteryear" are concerned even if the other 21 episodes of the show are generally passed over by Paramount and most canonistas. If one episode can be canon even if not fully so, then there's no real harm in one series of graphic novels being treated similarly.
 
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cooleddie74 said:
TAS was partially sorta canonized insofar as Spock's childhood details from "Yesteryear" are concerned even if the other 21 episodes of the show are generally passed over by Paramount and most canonistas. If one episode can be canon even if not fully so, then there's no real harm in one series of graphic novels being treated similarly.
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except that TAS was rereleased on DVD so it's getable again eventually there won't be any new prints of Countdown.

Plus Spock Prime acted like he had just met Nero for the first time at the blackhole before getting pulled in and Nero described the Narada as being a simple mining ship in his time but being very powerful now that it was in the 23rd century.
 
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Hartzilla2007 said:
cooleddie74 said:
TAS was partially sorta canonized insofar as Spock's childhood details from "Yesteryear" are concerned even if the other 21 episodes of the show are generally passed over by Paramount and most canonistas. If one episode can be canon even if not fully so, then there's no real harm in one series of graphic novels being treated similarly.
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except that it effects the Prime Universe if they ever do something with that again.
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True to a point. But isnt it pretty much accepted at this stage that Spock and Nero vanish, Romulus is obliterared and Data in B-4s body is now the captain of the Enterprise-E? I dont think much will be done in the Prime Universe anymore, and what might likely be done wont be some followup to NEMESIS focusing on Data/B-4 and his adventures.
 
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cooleddie74 said:
Hartzilla2007 said:
cooleddie74 said:
TAS was partially sorta canonized insofar as Spock's childhood details from "Yesteryear" are concerned even if the other 21 episodes of the show are generally passed over by Paramount and most canonistas. If one episode can be canon even if not fully so, then there's no real harm in one series of graphic novels being treated similarly.
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except that it effects the Prime Universe if they ever do something with that again.
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True to a point. But isnt it pretty much accepted at this stage that Spock and Nero vanish, Romulus is obliterared and Data in B-4s body is now the captain of the Enterprise-E? I dont think much will be done in the Prime Universe anymore, and what might likely be done wont be some followup to NEMESIS focusing on Data/B-4 and his adventures.
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No Data's dead, Picard is still captain of the E is married to Crusher and as of 2381 expecting a kid and shows no signs of not being the captain of ,Worf is back in Starfleet and the 1st officer of the Enterprise-E, and the Borg are GONE and any Borg tech that is reactivated after Febuary of 2381 turns into dust the same instant.
 
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True, but arent the novels non-canon? ;):devil:
 
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urbandk said:
no thanks. countdown was a bunch of cameos and lame non-science, some of which made it into the film. geordi laforge really didn't have to design the jellyfish. data really didn't have to be captain. worf didn't have to be the klingon commander. it was a parade of who's who from TNG.
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Which pretty much describes most Trek comics and novels, and which is why I can't stand any of them. They have to throw in as many cameos and as many references to other Trek series as possible so that the story takes a back seat to the continuity porn. It's annoying. I'd rather reread "Spock Must Die!" than any modern Trek novel, graphic or otherwise.
 
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People can make new versions of that background. A general helping of retconning might help. Personally I think they should keep that Romulus was destroyed by some sort of attack, but not some super duper FTL Death Star supernova. Some form of attack that devastates the biosphere and exterminates billions but is made to appear as if the Federation (Section 31?) was responsible. That I think would make Romulan revenge on the Federation very plausible. It also gives the added advantage of some shadowy force that is really responsible and thus some unfolding drama in uncovering who they are.

Also, I would never have had it be miners that go back. If the original plan was for Spock to collapse the supernova, why would a mining vessel be needed? Were they going to "drill" into a star or supernova? Umm...What? Why would they ever have been clued in in the first place? Maybe they thought it wouldnt be realistic for a 24th century Romulan warbird to go back and lose to a 23rd century connie. Hence, added value to it being a mining vessel. Im trying to give benefit of the doubt here.

Of course, I wouldnt have made it a supernova to begin with, but thats another matter.
 
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I can see and understand all your opposing arguments. I guess even with its inherent flaws and several glaring inconsistencies with the movie its written to precede and lead into, it impressed me with the overall storyline even if it is sorta hackneyed and not as deep as I wanted it to be.
 
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Plus, it was the first series of TREK comics/graphic novels in ages to keep my attention and not totally lose or annoy me ten pages or less into the first issue. That helps COUNTDOWN in my eyes and adds to my like for the storyline.
 
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