Mission Accomplished.
Star Trek Continues - To Boldly Go (Parts I & II)
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And just who was suggesting that? No one.
I mean if most of the people in the big group scene near the end were white, then union rules would've forbidden them having anyone wear body paint to appear another race (painted down). So if Star Trek: Continues used their production crew for the scene and that crew was mainly white, there was no way for them to portray a more diverse crew.
They probably didn't want to. They probably wanted to give everyone who helped in production a chance to appear.
Very similar to the scene in ST:TMP where the crew assembles to watch the recordings of V'ger.
Such people as Bjo Trimble and David Gerrold were in that one.
Brilliant. Absolutely brilliant. The few minor flaws I do not really care about.
The nacelles are to short.
Must be Version one.
Does anyone have a good caption for this:
The nacelles are to short.
Must be Version one.
And people of color. It was TMP had fans and a bunch of paid extras.
Regardless of how you want to spin it, it wasn't important to the STC folks to make an effort to include people of color, so you get the Starship Wonder Bread.
I really missed the obvious here. I did see Spock quickly switching from the Vulcan salute to a more informal human "bye," but I thought he wanted to be more human in that moment. However in this situation "live long and prosper" would indeed be entirely inappropriate.
From what I could see, they appeared twice, since digital trickery was obviously used to make the crowd look at least twice as big as it was. Instead of doing that, how about bringing in more people to properly represent the supposed diversity of Starfleet?
I'm not trying to make a huge issue out of this, but it's just really weird looking at that crowd of supposedly four hundred faces, more or less, and the only two people of color visible are Uhura and Sulu. Is it really that hard to find non-Caucasians in Georgia or surrounding areas that would be willing to be extras in a fan film?
Fantastic ending to a great show, STC will be missed.
Great series and sadly gone now! I did feel that part two was not as good as part one and that the main story ended too quickly but I prefer this to Discovery any day!
I did notice the ST:TMP music being used in the scenes on The Enterprise so I sort of felt this was going to bleed into the first movie and then we finally got to see Admiral Nogura!
JB
I did notice the ST:TMP music being used in the scenes on The Enterprise so I sort of felt this was going to bleed into the first movie and then we finally got to see Admiral Nogura!
JB
Amy Rydell delivered an excellent and effective performance, but there wasn't any story reason for the Romulan Commander to be here. This is one character who it would actually have made sense for Spock to have a romantic involvement with and, as others have suggested, suffer emotionally at the loss of. But instead those feelings were posited to involve the counselor?! Whatever.
The rationale for Smith's uplifting was completely silly, period, but all the more so given how she immediately posed a threat to experienced uplifted. If anything, she should have discovered her own condition as an uplifted years ago and well after the WNMHGB mission, due to undetected and limited esper ability, but kept it hidden. That, at least, would explain both how she was so powerful out of the gate and how Kirk could have confidence that she was on their side.
Making Kirk's grief at the loss of those under his command occur under the influence of the uplifted trying to compromise his ability to command only undermines the degree to which we can believe that it is a reflection of his own conscience. Similar remarks apply to Spock's interest in Reunification in conjunction with his imagined encounter with the Romulan Commander. These are good examples, albeit unusually extreme ones, of how connecting too many dots is harmful to the characters and stories; there was simply no need to entangle either of these character issues with uplifted psychological manipulation.
The look was, as usual, superb. Acting performances, especially from the lead and guest players, were excellent.
But there isn't anything here in terms of Kirk's character, at least that can be connected with canonical Kirk. There is no compelling answer to why he accepted promotion.
And, as others have said, there is no dramatic story here in which Kirk is the central character who goes on some sort of transformative journey or adventure. That is the major missed opportunity. As it is, this is just a bridge, and a rather dramatically flat one, between TOS and TMP. I'd place it in the top three or four STC episodes.
The rationale for Smith's uplifting was completely silly, period, but all the more so given how she immediately posed a threat to experienced uplifted. If anything, she should have discovered her own condition as an uplifted years ago and well after the WNMHGB mission, due to undetected and limited esper ability, but kept it hidden. That, at least, would explain both how she was so powerful out of the gate and how Kirk could have confidence that she was on their side.
Making Kirk's grief at the loss of those under his command occur under the influence of the uplifted trying to compromise his ability to command only undermines the degree to which we can believe that it is a reflection of his own conscience. Similar remarks apply to Spock's interest in Reunification in conjunction with his imagined encounter with the Romulan Commander. These are good examples, albeit unusually extreme ones, of how connecting too many dots is harmful to the characters and stories; there was simply no need to entangle either of these character issues with uplifted psychological manipulation.
The look was, as usual, superb. Acting performances, especially from the lead and guest players, were excellent.
But there isn't anything here in terms of Kirk's character, at least that can be connected with canonical Kirk. There is no compelling answer to why he accepted promotion.
And, as others have said, there is no dramatic story here in which Kirk is the central character who goes on some sort of transformative journey or adventure. That is the major missed opportunity. As it is, this is just a bridge, and a rather dramatically flat one, between TOS and TMP. I'd place it in the top three or four STC episodes.
Speaking of "spin"; I don't think your comment is very fair at all.
It was certainly important for STC to honor those who volunteered their time to the production which is what the group is made-up of. STC WELCOMED any help and these are are the people who devoted their time to the production and this was STC's small way to thank them. It is nobody's fault that more people of color did not volunteer. It was certainly more important to honor those who worked on the production than to be PC and go find and / or pay people of color to sit there not to mention there was not time or money to do such a thing. This was an equal opportunity production and the people in the scene were those who worked on the production: period! There is no reason to create an issue where there is none.
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You are spinning this production group-shot into something negative. Let the BTS people have their little moment in the spotlight.
They don't give a dam about the logistics of a "volunteer" production thousands of miles away from home for most of the people involved. It's just another way of hammering STC for fun.
I know that, still don't care for it. And this is acknowledging the Enterprise travels nearly 50,000 lightyears in a day in this two parter which is pretty much faster than any other Trek adventure.
Hi! 
I hope everyone's having a good discussion. Like the complex people we are, the fandom is a complex thing, too. Painting it as black and white - e. g. you must love 100% of something, or else you're a 'hater' is, well, it's kind of an incomplete analysis. Stay with me, okay?
I've seen this re the DSC discussions as well - I'm a fan and I love it but that doesn't mean I can't listen to reasonable critiquing of it. Yet a lot of folks seem to have decided there are 'sides'. Orville or DSC (what?). It's like the Prime vs. Kelvin timeline divide. And, I am sure, a TOS vs. TNG divide back in the day.
STC is done, and I'm sure it will be discussed for a long time. And we're Star Trek fans! We tend to dwell in the weeds of minutiae and pick over whether a character's mother was from Idaho or Tennessee, and other ephemera.
And while we do that, let's be kind, okay? To each other, and to the folks who made STC and, really, all of the fan film makers. They don't have huge budgets. They don't have A-list talent. They don't have full-time costumers, builders, writers, or makeup artists, etc. So as we critique and judge their efforts, we should keep such things in mind. It's kind of like comparing the 1933 Fay Wray King Kong film to the 2005 Naomi Watts version, and grousing that the '30s version's special effects aren't as good as the ones from '05.
In the meantime, let's converse and imagine and agree and disagree like the civilized folks I know we all are.
Peace, love, harmony, and pie, everyone. Let's keep on topic and be open-minded, so I won't have to turn this topic around.
I hope everyone's having a good discussion. Like the complex people we are, the fandom is a complex thing, too. Painting it as black and white - e. g. you must love 100% of something, or else you're a 'hater' is, well, it's kind of an incomplete analysis. Stay with me, okay?
I've seen this re the DSC discussions as well - I'm a fan and I love it but that doesn't mean I can't listen to reasonable critiquing of it. Yet a lot of folks seem to have decided there are 'sides'. Orville or DSC (what?). It's like the Prime vs. Kelvin timeline divide. And, I am sure, a TOS vs. TNG divide back in the day.
STC is done, and I'm sure it will be discussed for a long time. And we're Star Trek fans! We tend to dwell in the weeds of minutiae and pick over whether a character's mother was from Idaho or Tennessee, and other ephemera.
And while we do that, let's be kind, okay? To each other, and to the folks who made STC and, really, all of the fan film makers. They don't have huge budgets. They don't have A-list talent. They don't have full-time costumers, builders, writers, or makeup artists, etc. So as we critique and judge their efforts, we should keep such things in mind. It's kind of like comparing the 1933 Fay Wray King Kong film to the 2005 Naomi Watts version, and grousing that the '30s version's special effects aren't as good as the ones from '05.
In the meantime, let's converse and imagine and agree and disagree like the civilized folks I know we all are.
Peace, love, harmony, and pie, everyone. Let's keep on topic and be open-minded, so I won't have to turn this topic around.
I wish they had found a way for McKenna to do something in this episode besides sit in a brig and get caught in a transporter beam.
It would have been visually satisfying not to have the Enterprise reconnect and have it return to Earth in pieces. What a great way to show the hardships of the five year mission. Instead we're told it will be difficult to reconnect the two sections and then it happens offscreen.
I'm impressed they got so many episodes done on a somewhat regular schedule. They were polished looking and sounding productions. I can't say I was a fan, but I admire the passion they had for this.
Neil
It would have been visually satisfying not to have the Enterprise reconnect and have it return to Earth in pieces. What a great way to show the hardships of the five year mission. Instead we're told it will be difficult to reconnect the two sections and then it happens offscreen.
I'm impressed they got so many episodes done on a somewhat regular schedule. They were polished looking and sounding productions. I can't say I was a fan, but I admire the passion they had for this.
Neil
Yes. Despite whatever criticisms I have of the production, I do admire they're ability to commit to a regular production and release schedule. Of all the fan productions, they were the most consistent in delivering a final product to their audience.
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