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Star Trek Continues - To Boldly Go (Parts I & II)

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With respect to Part One, I loved the costumes, the look, and the acting, pretty much as always for STC, but I had lots of problems with the story. Most problems I had have already been mentioned, but I want to draw particular attention to Spock going behind Kirk's back to contact the Romulan Commander. Spock would never have done that, full stop. It's like Kirk and Spock are practically moving in two different worlds, not only because of that, but also for other reasons as well that have been already mentioned (e.g. Spock's scenes with the counselor). And if Spock had done such a thing, then Kirk would reevaluate the command structure of his ship, to invoke a Picard-ism, and otherwise get all disciplinary on him as in "Amok Time." I fully expected a story-shifting reaction from Kirk, but no, reactive Kirk of STC just went along with it. Ugh.
 
Bixby said:
If you mean the costume and FX design esthetic, well Starship Exeter and the New Voyages series beat STC by a few years as far as firing up the Star Trek fan demographic, TTI for overall production appeal especially. If you mean a wider stretch of hardcores and casual fans, at the risk of waking up the easily outraged, Prelude to Axanar`s FX and visual esthetic (thanks to the director and FX guru Tobias Righter) has it all over STC.
As much as it tickled me to see the old school planet set in this episode, come on, 90% of the population is gonna $hit all over those Styrofoam rock formations.
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I just think its sad that they finally got that set built, and only got to use it for the finale.... the thought of it all being torn down is depressing....
 
I think STC has done some fantastic work by fan film standards, and while I have my nits with some of their artistic choices, overall I’ve liked what they’ve done. I have a great deal of respect for their work, it’s clear they love the source material and are having fun.

As to it being better than Discovery, I think that’s more a matter of taste and preference than any sort of objective fact.
 
I enjoyed it quite a bit, certainly not perfect, but I was just happy that for once the story was actually action-driven, rather than just preach, preach, preach, as about 80% of STC has been.
 
STC's scripts could use some work, as Bixby and Maurice have said, to be sure, but overall I've not had any serious issues with them, unlike the clunkier season 3 TOS or season 1 TNG stories. YMMV, of course.
 
Bixby said:
As much as it tickled me to see the old school planet set in this episode, come on, 90% of the population is gonna $hit all over those Styrofoam rock formations.
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I have to say, I got stupidly excited when I saw they had mixed glitter into those Styrofoam rocks. Fond memories of the all those sparkly purple rocks on Lost in Space, I think!
 
I believe it's true that

"And the Children Shall Lead" < each STC episode < "The City on the Edge of Forever"​

but that doesn't really get us anywhere in terms of judging how good or bad STC is, except to define outside limits for it. On the other hand, that's more or less what I see

STC fits right in with TOS without necessarily surpassing it​

to mean, so, if that's considered praise for STC, then I certainly stand behind that.
 
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Well, they did get to use it twice (episodes 9 and 10). And it doesn't all have to be torn down as such... the ground is sort of a latex-based carpet thingy that can be rolled up and taken away intact.

It's still sad that they couldn't make two more episodes on indoor planets.
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No, the ground is not a latex carpet thingy and cannot be rolled up. I was on it many times and it was all one piece and could not be removed in tact.
 
^ actually it was used 3 times. It was redressed with trees and bushed in Episode 8 (and shot in B&W), used in all it's 'rocky glory' in Episode 9 and presumably we'll see it again in Episode 10.

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Maurice said:
I think it falls behind most of TOS because it largely misses the strength and dynamic of the Kirk-Spock relationship, generally underuses Spock, and too often doesn't allow Kirk to drive the story.
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Both STC and New Voyages-cum-Phase II-cum-New Voyages failed to utilized the Kirk-Spock relationship. Despite both shows attention to the details of sets and costumes, they missed the mark when came to the characters.
 
I really enjoyed it and bringing in these elements from the original pilot is a great touch. My all-time favorite last mission story was the DC Comics Annual back in the 80s, that had Kirk and company brought back to Talos IV by the Klingons. It's a big story they are doing here and the end reminds me of Wrath of Khan.

The lack of Doctor McCoy in this final two-parter is criminal and inexcusable. Star Trek was Kirk, Spock and McCoy...it should be this relationship that is central to this final story as they are about to conclude their five-year mission and head towards very different futures. It's mind-boggling how much of an afterthought McCoy is in this episode and while I like the McKennah character and actress a lot, you cannot shoehorn her into the relationship between the big three. They did that in the last episode and they did it in this one as well.

I agree that the only Trek that ever handled Section 31 well is Deep Space Nine.
 
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^ actually it was used 3 times. It was redressed with trees and bushed in Episode 8 (and shot in B&W), used in all it's 'rocky glory' in Episode 9 and presumably we'll see it again in Episode 10.

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No - twice. Episode 9 was the one with the black and white sequences, and 10 was the one just released. The finale looks to be a mostly shipboard affair, so I doubt we'll get to see it again, much to my chagrin.
 
Phoenix219 said:
I just think its sad that they finally got that set built, and only got to use it for the finale.... the thought of it all being torn down is depressing....
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They finished filming a few months ago, haven't they issued any sort of statement as to the fate of their sets? They still need to keep paying rent for the space, with no more episodes on the horizon it's odd that no decision has been made.
 
Ryan Thomas Riddle said:
Both STC and New Voyages-cum-Phase II-cum-New Voyages failed to utilized the Kirk-Spock relationship. Despite both shows attention to the details of sets and costumes, they missed the mark when came to the characters.
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McKenna really muscles out the other characters, McCoy in particular, who is supposed to be Kirk's perferred shoulder to cry on. At first this bothered me but have eventually adjusted expectations to allow STC to be its own animal, which is to be preachy and sort of quasi-TNG with the show revolving around Vic and the nepotistic insertion of his girlfriend.
 
DarthPipes said:
I really enjoyed it and bringing in these elements from the original pilot is a great touch. My all-time favorite last mission story was the DC Comics Annual back in the 80s, that had Kirk and company brought back to Talos IV by the Klingons. It's a big story they are doing here and the end reminds me of Wrath of Khan.
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I loved that version of the final mission. Although, I maintain that Star Trek Beyond was a fitting "series finale" to the original series.

The lack of Doctor McCoy in this final two-parter is criminal and inexcusable. Star Trek was Kirk, Spock and McCoy...it should be this relationship that is central to this final story as they are about to conclude their five-year mission and towards very different futures. It's mind-boggling how much of an afterthought McCoy is in this episode and while I like the McKennah character and actress a lot, you cannot shoehorn her into the relationship between the big three. They did that in the last episode and they did it in this one as well.
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This is the most frustrating thing about both STC and NV-PII. They don't know how to use the triad of Kirk-Spock-McCoy properly. It also goes along with those fan productions not understanding the Kirk character at all. Spock and McCoy are the outward expression of Kirk's inner debate. Spock argues one side. McCoy the other. And Kirk finds another way, taking decisive action.
 
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