Star Trek Continues, Episode 4...

[Warped9]

According to Franz Joseph, Constitution-class ships have a bowling alley on Deck 21, and a swimming pool on Deck 20. And that was before all the hubbub about Trek books being "non-cannnon."

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Yet considering how much FJ got wrong I wouldn't put much if any stock in it.

FJ can be lauded rightly for the amount of conjectural world building he did and his professional execution, but the simple fact is a lot of his materiel is plainly inconsistent with what we actually saw onscreen. Soon after you bought his blueprints any half aware fan could soon notice that the ship he drafted out was not at all the same as the ship we saw onscreen. And his tech manual continued that. Since FJ numerous fans have done better work in fleshing out what we saw onscreen.

Put FJ's blueprint drawings beside Alan Sinclair's or Charles Casimiro and you immediately think FJ's shuttlecraft drawings are a joke. And his new (never before seen) classes of ships were really simple cut-and-paste jobs that fans have been emulating forever. I, too, was excited to own FJ's work when it was new and a large part of that was because there had never before been anything like them, but I soon realized how many inconsistencies and errors there were. Still I was inspired (like many others) by FJ in terms of his attention to detail and execution and I still have my copies of his blueprints and tech manual, but any sense of authenticity has long since faded.

 

[BoredShipCapt'n]

I know the trend these days is to believe the bowling alley is really there, but Riley's speech is funnier if it isn't. And that's a priority for me.

 

[GSchnitzer]

I know the trend these days is to believe the bowling alley is really there, but Riley's speech is funnier if it isn't. And that's a priority for me.

 

[BoredShipCapt'n]

I know the trend these days is to believe the bowling alley is really there, but Riley's speech is funnier if it isn't. And that's a priority for me.

Nah, still less funny.

 

[Richard Baker]

IIRC Franz Joseph covered his ass by making the blueprints for the NCC-1700 Constitution and stating that they do not reflect yard changes made on individual ships.

Still one thing that really bothered me is regardless of what the Enterprise had installed he did not allow for any hardware behind the Mail Deflector Dish Rings. One of the larger ships components and it was treated like a plant-on detail.

I am looking forward to seeing the ST-Continues Engineering set- I think we may see more of it and the secondary rooms than we saw in the original series.

 

[Warped9]

IIRC Franz Joseph covered his ass by making the blueprints for the NCC-1700 Constitution and stating that they do not reflect yard changes made on individual ships.

And where is he on record sying this?

The fact is FJ's blueprints were sold with the idea fans would think they were getting blueprints to the TOS Enterprise and that's definitely not what they got. His tech manual is more blurry, but there is a lot in it that is distinctly different from what we actually saw onscreen and there not ruly representative of what fans expected to see upon purchase.

 

[Richard Baker]

IIRC Franz Joseph covered his ass by making the blueprints for the NCC-1700 Constitution and stating that they do not reflect yard changes made on individual ships.

And where is he on record sying this?

The fact is FJ's blueprints were sold with the idea fans would think they were getting blueprints to the TOS Enterprise and that's definitely not what they got. His tech manual is more blurry, but there is a lot in it that is distinctly different from what we actually saw onscreen and there not ruly representative of what fans expected to see upon purchase.

It is printed on the blueprints. The exterior drawings show NCC-1700 and on one of the first pages (if not on all of them) the yard changes is mentioned. I do not have my set at work right now so that is a specific as I can get at the moment.

 

[Kail]

Back in the day. we used my FJ blue prints as a dungeon for a game of Dungeons and Dragons. It was great fun! The backstory was the ship had landed on the D&D world and had been infested with D&D characters, including a dragon in the shuttle bay.

 

[Richard Baker]

Back in the day. we used my FJ blue prints as a dungeon for a game of Dungeons and Dragons. It was great fun! The backstory was the ship had landed on the D&D world and had been infested with D&D characters, including a dragon in the shuttle bay.

Love that- I must remember to mention it to my friend who runs D&D games

 

[Warped9]

Only 11 days to go until the premiere of Episode 4.

 

[GSchnitzer]

IIRC Franz Joseph covered his ass by making the blueprints for the NCC-1700 Constitution and stating that they do not reflect yard changes made on individual ships.

And where is he on record sying this?

The fact is FJ's blueprints were sold with the idea fans would think they were getting blueprints to the TOS Enterprise and that's definitely not what they got. His tech manual is more blurry, but there is a lot in it that is distinctly different from what we actually saw onscreen and there not ruly representative of what fans expected to see upon purchase.

For what it's worth, the "Booklet of General Plans" for the Constitution-Class starship has the following "General Note" (on Sheet Five):

"12. REFER ALL QUESTIONS CONCERNING VARIATIONS
DUE TO INDIVIDUAL SHIP MODIFICATIONS TO:

COMMANDING OFFICER
STAR FLEET MODIFICATION FACILITY
STARBASE 2 - 0 MARK 133.34.40 - R6PC
UNITED FEDERATION OF PLANETS"

 

[Warped9]

^^ To me that's a dodge to excuse that we didn't get what we expected to get.

 

[GSchnitzer]

^^ To me that's a dodge to excuse that we didn't get what we expected to get.

Well, I'd push back on your notion a little bit.

That content was generated in The Booklet of General Plans *before* the Plans had ever been seen by the public. So it can't be content inserted FJ inserted to mollify people's disappointed expectations. At best, it could only have been inserted to preemptively address any possible disappointment some customers might experience at some point.

My experience when I bought my First Edition Equicon set of Plans and a year or two later when the Ballantine version came out was that no one was disappointed in the Plans. They didn't actually receive something other than what they thought they were going to get. (If people did experience 5-points' worth of disappointment, it was more than matched by the 300 points of fantastically innovative coolness that helped scratch a Trek itch we didn't even know we had.)

A decade later when Star Trek episodes started becoming available on VHS and Betamax, it became possible to assess the Plans for "accuracy" and thoroughness. Back then, there was still no crazy notion of "canon violation," and in-universe meticulous consistency was something that people didn't lose any sleep over. There was no real way to be dissatisfied with the blueprints in a pre-VHS era.

 

[feek61]

I still remember the first time that I saw the FJ plans when they were first released. I was stunned and excited; they were fantastic back in the day.

 

[BoredShipCapt'n]

Hi: I've just started a new thread for discussion of "The White Iris" after people have seen it. Hope this is a reasonable thing to do. Thanks.

 

[Warped9]

Hi: I've just started a new thread for discussion of "The White Iris" after people have seen it. Hope this is a reasonable thing to do. Thanks.

Eager? We're still ten days away.

 

[BoredShipCapt'n]

Hi: I've just started a new thread for discussion of "The White Iris" after people have seen it. Hope this is a reasonable thing to do. Thanks.

Eager? We're still ten days away.

Yeah, but the private viewing for backers is only 6 days away and I thought it would be good to have a prominent warning about spoilers.

 

[Karzak]

Hi: I've just started a new thread for discussion of "The White Iris" after people have seen it. Hope this is a reasonable thing to do. Thanks.

Eager? We're still ten days away.

Even you must be self-aware enough to see the irony of you pointing out SOMEONE ELSE being too eager for the next installment of Star Trek Continues, right?

 

[Warped9]

Yeah, but the private viewing for backers is only 6 days away and I thought it would be good to have a prominent warning about spoilers.

You mean the ones who gave to their Kickstarter? I don't remember hearing about that. Or is it something else?

 

[GSchnitzer]

Yeah, but the private viewing for backers is only 6 days away and I thought it would be good to have a prominent warning about spoilers.

You mean the ones who gave to their Kickstarter? I don't remember hearing about that. Or is it something else?

Although the public premiere will be on Friday evening, May 29 at the Phoenix Comicon, STC Kickstarter contributors are being given a private link (which will no doubt slip out) to view the episode four days earlier. The special preview period for STC Kickstarter contributors is scheduled to begin Monday, May 25 at 12:00 noon PDT.