Star Trek Continues: Episode 3...
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doubleohfive
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I think, given the absolutely stellar track record Vic and his team at Star Trek Continues have now demonstrated they are capable of producing (and how quickly!), it's fair to stop pushing our own whims and desires onto the production crew.
They clearly know what they are doing. They clearly know what we want to see. (And if there were ever any doubt, Warped9 has been there to repeat it, ad nauseum).
People keep saying Continues is "3 for 3" or some variation of that. How about we do what no other fandom does and actually let Vic and his crew decide what they want to do next? I certainly feel confident in their ability to choose a project which would entertain. Do you?
They clearly know what they are doing. They clearly know what we want to see. (And if there were ever any doubt, Warped9 has been there to repeat it, ad nauseum).
People keep saying Continues is "3 for 3" or some variation of that. How about we do what no other fandom does and actually let Vic and his crew decide what they want to do next? I certainly feel confident in their ability to choose a project which would entertain. Do you?
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doubleohfive
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Certainly I have my qualms with Phase II, how they do business, and the choices they make. But they have also produced some fine work too and no amount of critical commentary or personal animosity will ever change that. "World Enough And Time" remains their greatest achievement and rightfully so.
Just because you don't like what they're doing doesn't mean there isn't anything of value being done.
No I didn't when did it occur?
What Maurice said... and also doing nothing but bottle shows with a small amount of relatively-simple FX shots helps as well.
It was when Marlena hit that button on the Tantalus fields' remote control (?) or whatever that was in Kirk's quarters. I'd have to watch it again to say exactly.
Hmm..watch it again..that's a good idea!
This is true, there is not a whole lot in shot in the 3 episodes that is not on the TOS sets. Lets hope this will change on future episodes. Now that they got the production process down and tuned well, cant wait to see what some on location stuff will be like.
I would never presume to tell anyone how to spend their time, money or talent...but just think what a service it would be to future generations to re-make The Alternative Factor, and get it right this time! 
I would never presume to tell anyone how to spend their time, money or talent...but just think what a service it would be to future generations to re-make The Alternative Factor, and get it right this time!
The right way is to burn the script and write it from scratch so it makes a lick of sense.
I would never presume to tell anyone how to spend their time, money or talent...but just think what a service it would be to future generations to re-make The Alternative Factor, and get it right this time!
The right way is to burn the script and write it from scratch so it makes a lick of sense.
Good first step!
So much potential, too...
I cannot tell you how hard I tried to understand that episode in my naive childhood. I wouldn't be surprised if it actually impacted my self-confidence. It just made me feel stupid, like the material was "above" me. Kids can be sensitive that way...
Yes, while I've really enjoyed Continues, I find that their productions are less ambitious in many ways than Phase II in terms of scope.
I would love to see what they can do in terms of locations and space battle sequences. With any luck, they'll keep going for years to come and give us lots of great productions.
doubleohfive
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I don't know.
Phase II has reached for the sky on just about every production they've done, with some great results (the aforementioned "World Enough and Time"), to terrible (lookin' at you, "Blood and Fire, Part 2") and everything in between.
Now, apart from there just not being room for everything and the kitchen sink (try though they might to fit it in), Phase II is nothing if not ambitious.
I think there's definitely something to be said for the fact that Star Trek Continues near-universal praise and conisistent track record thus far may just be a piece of the "know your limitations" puzzle. Nearly every episode of Phase II winds up having space battles. Nearly every episode of Phase II has to shoehorn in intertextual reference after intertextual reference or crossover after crossover.
I think Continues has been the beneficiary of Phase II's experience in this regard, knowing enough now to know that this kind of thing is entirely flooding the web. I appreciate the more understated approach and hope that Continues would stick with it. If the story they choose to tell winds up having a space battle, great! If they want to go on location, even better!
But let's be practical for a minute. Not biting off more than you can chew is precisely one of the major tenets of successful filmmaking. Vic and his team understand that.
Phase II has reached for the sky on just about every production they've done, with some great results (the aforementioned "World Enough and Time"), to terrible (lookin' at you, "Blood and Fire, Part 2") and everything in between.
Now, apart from there just not being room for everything and the kitchen sink (try though they might to fit it in), Phase II is nothing if not ambitious.
I think there's definitely something to be said for the fact that Star Trek Continues near-universal praise and conisistent track record thus far may just be a piece of the "know your limitations" puzzle. Nearly every episode of Phase II winds up having space battles. Nearly every episode of Phase II has to shoehorn in intertextual reference after intertextual reference or crossover after crossover.
I think Continues has been the beneficiary of Phase II's experience in this regard, knowing enough now to know that this kind of thing is entirely flooding the web. I appreciate the more understated approach and hope that Continues would stick with it. If the story they choose to tell winds up having a space battle, great! If they want to go on location, even better!
But let's be practical for a minute. Not biting off more than you can chew is precisely one of the major tenets of successful filmmaking. Vic and his team understand that.
I respectfully disagree here. The first episode "Pilgrim of Eternity" had the same "turn-around-time" with NO raised money. Star Trek Continues is committed to getting episodes filmed and released in a reasonable amount of time regardless of how it is funded. Besides, the funding basically pays for travel and SOME set improvements (very little) but has very little to do with how fast the episodes are turned out.
So, "Fairest of Them All" was filmed in mid-March with the Galileo scenes being filmed a month after that; so it's just been 3 months since principle filming on the episode started. I know I am partial but 3 months for a bunch of volunteers is not bad in my mind. It sure beats waiting for years . . .
As per Maurice's tag-line: "The absence of limitations is the enemy of art." 
Fact is STC has stated they want to pick up where TOS left off and continue in much the same way. That pretty much means not veering too far from what TOS could and would have done. Phase II goes beyond that and in that sense doesn't at all feel like a believable continuation of TOS.
So if folks want STC to go into more Phase II like territory then they likely would lose a major element that makes STC distinctive and feel so much like TOS.
So if folks want STC to go into more Phase II like territory then they likely would lose a major element that makes STC distinctive and feel so much like TOS.
Since this is a continuation of TOS . . . were not most of the 3rd season bottle shows??????
doubleohfive
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^^ Fair point.
^^ Cheap shot. Especially considering the world of adversities the team had to deal with to get that film done. One would think that given these obstacles, the mere fact that "Tressaurian" was not only completed but released to such critical acclaim would be a testament not only to the quality of the film itself but the skill and tenacity of its makers. Not bad for "a bunch volunteers" indeed.
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