Star Trek Beyond

[STEPhon IT]

In the original timeline the NX-01 was destroyed months into its mission, and probably deemed as a major failure by Starfleet, hence its lack of mention. And the XCV-330 being the far more prominent vessel named Enterprise by the time of TMP.

However, its survival for the decade likely altered that. And the NX-01 is actually remembered by the time of STID. Meaning the TCW actually altered the timeline. Even though the timeline was supposed to have repaired itself when Vosk was defeated, meaning the NX-01 should have been destroyed and forgotten about. Of course, Starfleet may have just given Archer another NX-vessel to captain to deal with the Xindi threat.

It does also suggest that the events of "Regeneration" were supposed to happen anyways, meaning the Borg never actually altered the timeline in FC. The NX-01 was just never supposed to encounter the Borg, which they ended up doing, thanks to the TCW.

It would've been probably best for Rick Berman and Brannon Braga to actually do their homework before making a useless prequel to Star Trek. XCV-330 is far better looking design than NX-01 and could've solve some problems in relating to canon.

 

[Reanok]

I really Enjoyed the mentions of Enterprise history like the Xindi attack and the Romulan wars the.I like the Franklin NX class space ship and the Enterprise era uniforms that was one of my favorite parts of Star Trek Beyond.

 

[FederationHistorian]

Is it really a stretch that the Franklin was named something else prior to the launch of Enterprise (like NX-Freedom or NX-Pioneer), and when Edison was given command in the 2160s, it was just rechristened the USS Franklin? The NX Program in ENT seems to be a lot different from the usage of NX by the time of DS9. And it makes sense that Starfleet would want test out important systems with that ship before the first deep space mission.

 

[TimeIsAPredator]

I really Enjoyed the mentions of Enterprise history like the Xindi attack and the Romulan wars the.I like the Franklin NX class space ship and the Enterprise era uniforms that was one of my favorite parts of Star Trek Beyond.

The whole scene with the captain's recordings was excellent had a real creepy vibe and nice call backs

 

[somebuddyX]

I like the Franklin but I think it being the Warp 4 ship was even unnecessary. It could have just been some random ship that went missing and was otherwise unnoteworthy but that in itself made it noteworthy, like ships that crashed in TOS or TNG like Archon or Essex. I also didn't like it not being able to take off from the ground and the stunt to launch it off the cliff. If the ship had crashed in a flat field or a desert like the concept art everybody would have been screwed. Same if that cliff had been a little shorter. Statistically the odd that they'd have landed on that mountain were astronomical. I know, it's just a film and so they can have an action scene.
I like to think that a few months or year after "These are the Voyages" that the NX-01 crew were wearing Franklin/Balthazar Edison type uniforms which is kinda neat.

 

[Odo]

Those were cool uniforms - I can see the progression from the ENT uniforms to the Franklin uniforms to the Disco uniforms.

 

[TimeIsAPredator]

Those were cool uniforms - I can see the progression from the ENT uniforms to the Franklin uniforms to the Disco uniforms.

Same. I really wish though that Disco would have used yellow, red and blue instead of all that gold and silver. I still struggle sometimes to make out who does what in that crew except for the excellent medics outfits

 

[Phoenix219]

In the original timeline the NX-01 was destroyed months into its mission, and probably deemed as a major failure by Starfleet, hence its lack of mention. And the XCV-330 being the far more prominent vessel named Enterprise by the time of TMP.

However, its survival for the decade likely altered that. And the NX-01 is actually remembered by the time of STID. Meaning the TCW actually altered the timeline. Even though the timeline was supposed to have repaired itself when Vosk was defeated, meaning the NX-01 should have been destroyed and forgotten about. Of course, Starfleet may have just given Archer another NX-vessel to captain to deal with the Xindi threat.

It does also suggest that the events of "Regeneration" were supposed to happen anyways, meaning the Borg never actually altered the timeline in FC. The NX-01 was just never supposed to encounter the Borg, which they ended up doing, thanks to the TCW.

In my opinion the entire TCW's real mission (one faction at least) was to nudge the timeline back on track after the mess that FC made and ensure the forming of the Federation. In my opinion, that movie severely messed up the timeline, but by the time (4d perspective) Picard returned, the TCW had happened, Enterprise had been saved from destruction and its crew repurposed to save the Federation, since the original path forward was corrupted by everything from FC and the Borg, including the drone being left behind. This leads to a vastly different TOS and 23rd century, which we are now seeing in Discovery, and an unknown 24th - all we know is that it is similar enough by the time Picard returns at the end of FC to not have too many major discrepancies. ymmv.

 

[XCV330]

In my opinion the entire TCW's real mission (one faction at least) was to nudge the timeline back on track after the mess that FC made and ensure the forming of the Federation. In my opinion, that movie severely messed up the timeline, but by the time (4d perspective) Picard returned, the TCW had happened, Enterprise had been saved from destruction and its crew repurposed to save the Federation, since the original path forward was corrupted by everything from FC and the Borg, including the drone being left behind. This leads to a vastly different TOS and 23rd century, which we are now seeing in Discovery, and an unknown 24th - all we know is that it is similar enough by the time Picard returns at the end of FC to not have too many major discrepancies. ymmv.

only the most hardcore of the hardcore fans care about timeline discrepancies, and few enough of them. FC was a successful film. They weren't needing to fix anything. Indeed Enterprise is tied to the apron strings of FC, outright using a scene from it in Mirror Darkley, and the entire bit with Zephram at the beginning, and the unfrozen borg later in the series.

they were just trying to make a new star trek series interesting and a little different. it wasn't a terrific idea but wasn't there as some band-aid.

 

[FederationHistorian]

In my opinion the entire TCW's real mission (one faction at least) was to nudge the timeline back on track after the mess that FC made and ensure the forming of the Federation. In my opinion, that movie severely messed up the timeline, but by the time (4d perspective) Picard returned, the TCW had happened, Enterprise had been saved from destruction and its crew repurposed to save the Federation, since the original path forward was corrupted by everything from FC and the Borg, including the drone being left behind. This leads to a vastly different TOS and 23rd century, which we are now seeing in Discovery, and an unknown 24th - all we know is that it is similar enough by the time Picard returns at the end of FC to not have too many major discrepancies. ymmv.

Its one possibility.

And other possibility is that the first four years + the finale are one giant holoprogram, possibly recreated from a recovered and corrupted black box. Meaning some information is missing. “Silent Enemy” and “Cold Front” are aired out of order, after all.

Or history really is as recorded, and Archer and his Enterprise eventually got overshadowed by Kirk and his Enterprise.

Since the multiverse is a thing, all scenarios are a possibility.

 

[Phoenix219]

Its one possibility.

And other possibility is that the first four years + the finale are one giant holoprogram, possibly recreated from a recovered and corrupted black box. Meaning some information is missing. “Silent Enemy” and “Cold Front” are aired out of order, after all.

Or history really is as recorded, and Archer and his Enterprise eventually got overshadowed by Kirk and his Enterprise.

Since the multiverse is a thing, all scenarios are a possibility.

I didn't know they were aired out of outer. I actually watched them relatively recently. Which parts are out of order?

 

[XCV330]

Robinson was the first person to travel at Warp 2 in a human made ship, so there were no Warp 2 Earth ships until after that. The Franklin may have come out between then and before Broken Bow.

And plus Edison would have served on Enterprise since they were the only MACOs to fight the Xindi.

Except the ECS ships like the J-Class were traveling at Warp 2, and those ships had been out there for many years. Mayweather grew up on one.

Did the ECS ships have entirely homegrown hardware? That's not so certain. It's equally possible that Franklin was also sporting some alien tech.

We also don't know what the warp deltas, Intrepid, or Sarajevo class shipe were capable of, or how old they were. They're older than NX-01 though, and in the case of the Warp Delta appear to have a design lineage to the Emmett.

It's also not clear that the MACO's had no other involvement in the conflict. Earth already had extra-solar colonies and they might have sent ships to defend what would have been their frontier, after the attack. Whether the Xindi were testing those defenses is unknown, because we only got the story from the viewpoint of the Enterprise.

 

[FederationHistorian]

I didn't know they were aired out of outer. I actually watched them relatively recently. Which parts are out of order?

They aired “Cold Front” first and then “Silent Enemy.” Even though the stardate for “Silent Enemy” actually precedes the stardate for “Cold Front” by a week.