Spoilers STAR TREK BEYOND

[photon70]

Well, this was supposed to be about the significance/justification of the Federation. At least that's how it was billed. Kirk and everyone was supposed to be doubting the importance and worth of it all, and what happened in this movie was supposed to restore everyone's belief in it and the mission. I was looking forward to that. But I think the message got lost somewhere in everything else. If it was there, it was far too subtle. Not that audiences need to be beaten over the head with a message, but still -- . It had surprisingly little heft for a milestone year. One positive review called it a fine "placeholder" movie for the franchise, but hoped for something a little meatier the next time.

I'm one of those that did enjoy the movie but felt for a 50th anniversary, the Star Trek message needed be louder and said more than once.

ST6 with Kirk's speech at the end and all the delegate clapping was what needed to be at the end of STB, before Ent-A sailed off.

 

[F. King Daniel]

A short piece on the VFX

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[photon70]

My other quibble is we didn't get Kirk's log, the audio of which was in the 3rd trailer 'This is my . . . last report as . . . Captain of the Enterprise' as he was ejected from the saucer.

That would have added more gravitas to that scene.

 

[JeffinOakland]

I thought I saw a building on Yorktown that looked like the Death Star. Am I wrong?

 

[stardream]

So far every one of my facebook friends who has seen it has liked it. My brother might go see it even though he refers to it as that crew in 'that nitwit alternate timeline'.

 

[jamestyler]

My other quibble is we didn't get Kirk's log, the audio of which was in the 3rd trailer 'This is my . . . last report as . . . Captain of the Enterprise' as he was ejected from the saucer.

That would have added more gravitas to that scene.

I'm only just noticing that hah! I can live with it being cut. In a life threatening panic I doubt the first thing on anyones mind would be to make sure the paperwork was stamped and filed.

 

[Franklin]

My other quibble is we didn't get Kirk's log, the audio of which was in the 3rd trailer 'This is my . . . last report as . . . Captain of the Enterprise' as he was ejected from the saucer.

That would have added more gravitas to that scene.

I'm only just noticing that hah! I can live with it being cut. In a life threatening panic I doubt the first thing on anyones mind would be to make sure the paperwork was stamped and filed.

I completely forgot about that, too. So I guess I didn't miss it too much.

One other thing as I think about it, I was a little startled when the Enterprise's warp effect on screen was in the opposite direction as it was shown in commercials or the trailer.

It's not like one should expect everything from a commercial or trailer to end up in the final cut, of course. Kirk's log entry made a quick point that works in commercials or trailers. By that time in the movie, it was woefully obvious the Enterprise was lost, and maybe the line was taken as an unnecessary at that point. Just get off the ship, Kirk.

A few nitpicks about the Kelvin pods. I wonder how those Kelvin pods survive entry into the atmosphere and make soft landings. Do they give off a beacon or other signal so crew members may be found who were scattered across the planet? I'd infer that most who made it to the planet that way must've landed within a few square miles of each other, and most were rounded up by Krall and his people (besides those captured by them in space). Were the uniforms Kirk and Chekov put on "survival uniforms" stowed in the pods? Otherwise, why change clothes? Nice coincidence they fit, by the way.

 

[fireproof78]

Must be like the Back to the Future jacket.

 

[jamestyler]

A few nitpicks about the Kelvin pods. I wonder how those Kelvin pods survive entry into the atmosphere and make soft landings. Do they give off a beacon or other signal so crew members may be found who were scattered across the planet? I'd infer that most who made it to the planet that way must've landed within a few square miles of each other, and most were rounded up by Krall and his people (besides those captured by them in space). Were the uniforms Kirk and Chekov put on "survival uniforms" stowed in the pods? Otherwise, why change clothes? Nice coincidence they fit, by the way.

My wife made this point - but it makes sense that (movie magic fitting aside) they were in the pods. The only people to change into them (well, one of the three had it on standard) were the ones that escaped the situation at hand in a pod: the others left by alternate means sans supplies.

It's logical to assume from there that there were no other pods giving out help beacons to pick up since no one else is seen in survival gear (so Krall's got everyone else)

 

[Franklin]

One other thing. I know he had oxygen with him, but did Scotty also quickly rig the torpedo so he could direct it? The warhead is moot point because it's probably safe until activated, and he didn't activate it. But was there a way to see out? He had a console in his hand similar to today's game consoles, so maybe he flew it on some kind of instrument controls. Otherwise, while landing near that cliff was bad luck, by comparison, any uncontrolled soft landing at all inside a photon torpedo would be a miracle. Especially getting through the atmosphere. (The again, he's the miracle worker.)

 

[BillJ]

One other thing. I know he had oxygen with him, but did Scotty also quickly rig the torpedo so he could direct it? The warhead is moot point because it's probably safe until activated, and he didn't activate it. But was there a way to see out? He had a console in his hand similar to today's game consoles, so maybe he flew it on some kind of instrument controls. Otherwise, while landing near that cliff was bad luck, by comparison, any uncontrolled soft landing at all inside a photon torpedo would be a miracle. Especially getting through the atmosphere. (The again, he's the miracle worker.)

I don't question Montgomery Scott's magic!

 

[jamestyler]

^ Thats my logic. Scotty knows what he's doing, thats enough for me

 

[Franklin]

I don't question Montgomery Scott's magic!

Fair enough.

 

[ancient]

I imagine torpedoes might be designed to soft land if they go into an atmosphere unexpectedly. Maybe they were designed to do this after a few *ahem* unfortunate incidents of missed torpedo shots nuking a city by accident.

 

[Tuskin38]

Memory-Alpha has some BTS info on the Franklin that came from an interview and other sources.

http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/USS_Franklin

The ship was designed by Sean Hargreaves, who described it as initially being "almost like a large shuttlecraft". Regarding its resemblance to Doug Drexler's NX-class Enterprise, Hargreaves stated that the Franklin was designed independent of that ship, initially featuring nacelles in the down position before the script required them to be flipped above the saucer section for the takeoff sequence. Hargreaves also explained that the pennants on the Franklin's engines depicting the Starfleet insignia were originally only placeholders that were never changed. According to the designer, the Franklin was intended to resemble a freighter and was 450ft long.

 

[ShranMan]

I haven't been on this board since 2009!

I loved ST:B! It really felt like a true ST movie. Yes, it would be amazing if they made something with the intellectual elements of TMP, TVH or (for me) Nemesis. But for a Trek action movie, this was really great. The characters are actually....in character. Wow, I'd given up on that! The story is uncluttered. The script is spare but clear. It has emotion, humor and a classic Trek storyline (yeah, we've seen it all before, but anything is better than ID). The Easter eggs and references are fun, too. Great visuals, strong score, solid performances, all of the characters portrayed as being more mature...in every way an improvement over the last two. Basically, get rid of JJA and it starts to actually resemble ST!

All in all, I'm looking forward to seeing it again

Next up...the new series!

 

[RAMA]

Art of the editing:

http://www.provideocoalition.com/art-cut-editing-team-star-trek-beyond/

 

[photon70]

Art of the editing:

http://www.provideocoalition.com/art-cut-editing-team-star-trek-beyond/

I think everyone did an amazing job given how little time they had.

As I said elsewhere, the movie deserved another star in everyone review, just for this!

 

[RAMA]

 

[Tosk]

any uncontrolled soft landing at all inside a photon torpedo would be a miracle.

Dead Spock managed it.