Spoilers STAR TREK BEYOND
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Well, at least, the nuCrew can finally have a movie on their own. (Leonard Nimoy didn't really need to be in STID, I think; that bit could have been spent having the new characters finding out who 'Khan' was in that alternate universe).
I personally don't want to see Shatner in the new film. I want to see Pine, Quinto, Saldana, Yelchin, Cho, Urban, and Elba. And I want to see these actors have a script - crossing fingers - that actually builds up their characters from the last two films rather than spending that time shoehorning a actor is a 'love him or hate him' individual.
Well, at least, the nuCrew can finally have a movie on their own. (Leonard Nimoy didn't really need to be in STID, I think; that bit could have been spent having the new characters finding out who 'Khan' was in that alternate universe).
I personally don't want to see Shatner in the new film. I want to see Pine, Quinto, Saldana, Yelchin, Cho, Urban, and Elba. And I want to see these actors have a script - crossing fingers - that actually builds up their characters from the last two films rather than spending that time shoehorning a actor is a 'love him or hate him' individual.
I would've tolerated gramppa Jerry Kirk or something. Or as a hologram maybe. But if they tried to shoehorn in an elderly JTK using "time travel" AGAIN, that sets me up for one of my rare double quadruple facepalms when one quadruple facepalm just isn't enough.
Anyway he doesn't seem to be in it, which was the best outcome for all concerned. It's a pity Nimoy was in these latest films, frankly, it was nice to see him back, sure, but I would've personally preferred if they cut the chord clean between those films and the other works.
Anyway he doesn't seem to be in it, which was the best outcome for all concerned. It's a pity Nimoy was in these latest films, frankly, it was nice to see him back, sure, but I would've personally preferred if they cut the chord clean between those films and the other works.
Still can't quite believe that didn't happen for ST09. Either Shatner didn't want to do just a cameo or it was cut out before an offer was made or whatever it was.. it just would've been perfect. The cherry on top of a great film (like TFA)
Maybe it could still happen for STB? (opening?) but dosnt sound likely
Maybe it could still happen for STB? (opening?) but dosnt sound likely
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^They cut the Shatner cameo because it didn't serve the story of the film. It would've been a nice indulgence, but it would've interrupted the flow of the movie's final scenes and wouldn't have played a meaningful role within the story itself. Motion pictures tend to be edited very tightly, with any extraneous or expendable material ruthlessly stripped away to focus on the essentials. (Well, unless Peter Jackson directs them.) It's a key rule of storytelling -- "Kill your darlings." No matter how much you may love the idea of a scene, you can't let that sentiment distort your judgment about what the story actually needs and doesn't need.
no Shatner in STB
Not surprising.
I'd like to see him too. I hear good things about him. Sounds like he'd make a good addition to Star Trek.
I just saw the trailer and read what there is about the plot. I've been busy with a lot of other things for months and was not even aware that filming had begun (and principally ended).
I read that they are going to destroy the Enterprise....again. Is there a plan to incorporate one or more elements from every one of the original movies into the reboot in chronological order? If so, it could work okay and be interesting if it's not overdone. Personally, I thought that Into Darkness was good on some levels but I felt that there was too much emphasis on Khan. A nod to the original timeline is okay, but new and fresh plotlines would be more welcome than rehashes from different angles. I think that if the third film has anything like the aliens having evolved from someone's Genesis-like project it would be too much.
Does the studio feel that a wide audience would not respond well to 'exploration and discovery'? I'm not saying that something like TMP would be wise....no pun intended....
but Star Trek was always about more than fighting a new foe, politics, etc....at least in its original intention. Although it largely devolved into too much of that kind of thing as the years progressed.
I read that they are going to destroy the Enterprise....again. Is there a plan to incorporate one or more elements from every one of the original movies into the reboot in chronological order? If so, it could work okay and be interesting if it's not overdone. Personally, I thought that Into Darkness was good on some levels but I felt that there was too much emphasis on Khan. A nod to the original timeline is okay, but new and fresh plotlines would be more welcome than rehashes from different angles. I think that if the third film has anything like the aliens having evolved from someone's Genesis-like project it would be too much.
Does the studio feel that a wide audience would not respond well to 'exploration and discovery'? I'm not saying that something like TMP would be wise....no pun intended....
but Star Trek was always about more than fighting a new foe, politics, etc....at least in its original intention. Although it largely devolved into too much of that kind of thing as the years progressed.
It sounds to me like the plot of the film is engaging with the idea of exploration and first contact from a new angle. It's not just about sailing out into the frontier and seeing what exotic novelties you find there so you can report them back to civilization; it's about the civilizations that are already there on the frontier having an opinion of their own about the spread of the Federation into their territory and not necessarily agreeing that it's a good idea. It might be a story that challenges the comfortable assumptions of the Trek universe in the same way that DS9 often did.
Which we already had in the previous movie with Marcus, militarization of Starfleet, warmongering, etc...
^Yeah, but that's not quite the same. That was more a problem arising from a failure of Starfleet's officials to live up to the principles it stands for. This sounds like it may be calling the principles themselves into question, acknowledging that what one side sees as exploration and benevolent contact may be seen by the other side as intrusion and assimilation. (Like Quark and Garak's famous "root beer" speech. Only more explosive.)
Would be a nice parallel for our heroes to find a way to balance those conflicting forces, rather than doing it badly (or more accurately, not particularly bothering to do so at all) as Marcus was attempting to do.
I honestly think Beyond might be my favourite of the reboot films. It'll probably be critically meh and box office wise less than the other two, but I think it'll still do decent business.
The trailer is the swing to the left before the swing to the right. If you want to do something akin to The Motion Picture again, you kinda have to have mindless action for some of the film. That's not to say Beyond is going to be glacially slow, but that I think it might just delve into an unexpected part of the Trek universe that hasn't really been fleshed out before. One that on paper would seem very boring but also interesting. The villain might actually have a motive beyond revenge too, so thats nice.
The new Enterprise is going to make people's heads explode though (and not in a good way :P )
The trailer is the swing to the left before the swing to the right. If you want to do something akin to The Motion Picture again, you kinda have to have mindless action for some of the film. That's not to say Beyond is going to be glacially slow, but that I think it might just delve into an unexpected part of the Trek universe that hasn't really been fleshed out before. One that on paper would seem very boring but also interesting. The villain might actually have a motive beyond revenge too, so thats nice.
The new Enterprise is going to make people's heads explode though (and not in a good way :P )
No doubt, and its financial success will ensure the continued life of the franchise.
Of course, the haters will say that it's a failure because Star Wars made a ton more money, and Abrams surely sabotaged Trek because he knew he'd be called up to do Episode VII.
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