Spoilers STAR TREK BEYOND

[ralph]

I want to see Enterprise in orbit of an alien planet. I miss this.

 

[Campe]

Maybe. But Stawamus Chief Provincial Park is a forest (could be something linked Kent Hangar), Red Deer is a quarry, Dubai is a modern city in the middle of the desert. I don´t know about Richmond. Different environments.

Uhh, yes, and they're all on Earth. One planet can have a lot of different environments, no matter what Star Wars pretends.

Whaaaaaa--?!?

 

[fireproof78]

I want to see Enterprise in orbit of an alien planet. I miss this.

They'll add it it in post-production

 

[ralph]

Maybe. But Stawamus Chief Provincial Park is a forest (could be something linked Kent Hangar), Red Deer is a quarry, Dubai is a modern city in the middle of the desert. I don´t know about Richmond. Different environments.

Uhh, yes, and they're all on Earth. One planet can have a lot of different environments, no matter what Star Wars pretends.

Sorry, but I didn´t think Star Wars. This has nothing to do with it.

 

[CorporalCaptain]

I think it would be sweet, if the first dialog in the film was a voiceover, "Captain's log, stardate ....," and that after five or ten minutes, there's another voiceover, "Space: the final frontier...." I'm not holding my breath, but that would be really lovely.

 

[WarpFactorZ]

Not so sure. The 2009 film had both the Giant Space Drill set and the Delta Vega/"Kirk runs from ice planet monsters" set in the parking lot at Dodger Stadium.

The drill was in the parking lot of the LAPD Academy as I recall. Not that it matters, since they're basically next to each other.

Maybe. But Stawamus Chief Provincial Park is a forest (could be something linked Kent Hangar), Red Deer is a quarry, Dubai is a modern city in the middle of the desert. I don´t know about Richmond.

Presumably the quarry (sand) will be the same planet as Dubai. Richmond is a non-descript suburb of Vancouver, but they're not using the city itself as a location (only open spaces for set construction).

 

[BillJ]

I think it would be sweet, if the first dialog in the film was a voiceover, "Captain's log, stardate ....," and that after five or ten minutes, there's another voiceover, "Space: the final frontier...." I'm not holding my breath, but that would be really lovely.

I'd love to see the Enterprise swing into orbit like in TOS.

 

[fireproof78]

Edit: this is in response to ralph's post regarding Star Wars. Quote attribution is not working for me at the moment

Not to speak for Christopher here, but I think his point was that a different environment does not mean its a different planet.

The forest and the desert scenes could be two different parts of the same planet in the movie.

This is unlike Star Wars where you have the all desert planet, the all water planet, and the all city planet.

 

[Timby]

First peek at more stuff being built.

The fact that at least two massive outdoor built sets are involved is intriguing. Surely this is a first for Trek?

Not so sure. The 2009 film had both the Giant Space Drill set and the Delta Vega/"Kirk runs from ice planet monsters" set in the parking lot at Dodger Stadium. They may not have been quite as large as the "crashed starship" set, but they were not small. Then STID had the "space barge" set, the Nibiru forest set, and the volcano set, all constructed in a lot adjacent to Raleigh Studios' Playa del Rey location.

They also constructed the entire Ba'ku village on location for Insurrection.

 

[Ryan Thomas Riddle]

You've cited characters in six of twelve films to date. How is that "not really all that many"?

Because I was responding to a claim that the villains in Trek movies were "all [but] invariably" driven by revenge. That's clearly not the case.

I missed that. There was a claim, quoted below, that most Trek films since TWOK employed the "vengeful villain trope." I didn't take it literally in the first place, but this claim isn't actually that far off anyway.

Oh, I hope not. That's rather a TOS cliche, and I'm hoping for something new.

Well, it'd certainly be refreshing after the vengeful villain trope that plagues most of the "Star Trek" films since TWOK.

You took it the way it was intended. I was exaggerating because after TWOK, the films that followed have tried very hard to recreate another Khan and replicate the elements of that film.

 

[BillJ]

Edit: this is in response to ralph's post regarding Star Wars. Quote attribution is not working for me at the moment

Not to speak for Christopher here, but I think his point was that a different environment does not mean its a different planet.

The forest and the desert scenes could be two different parts of the same planet in the movie.

This is unlike Star Wars where you have the all desert planet, the all water planet, and the all city planet.

Star Trek was guilty of the same thing from time to time.

 

[fireproof78]

Edit: this is in response to ralph's post regarding Star Wars. Quote attribution is not working for me at the moment

Not to speak for Christopher here, but I think his point was that a different environment does not mean its a different planet.

The forest and the desert scenes could be two different parts of the same planet in the movie.

This is unlike Star Wars where you have the all desert planet, the all water planet, and the all city planet.

Star Trek was guilty of the same thing from time to time.

This is true

 

[Christopher]

Not to speak for Christopher here, but I think his point was that a different environment does not mean its a different planet.

The forest and the desert scenes could be two different parts of the same planet in the movie.

Exactly. Star Wars is hardly the only example of the tendency to reduce alien planets to monolithic biomes. Trek has done this too (Vulcan = desert, Andoria = ice, Ferenginar = swamp), and has compounded it with equally monolithic alien cultures, languages, naming patterns, religions, fashions, etc. (Seriously, does everyone on Romulus have to have the same haircut?) But Star Wars is the most famous and archetypal example of the trope, so it tends to be used as a shorthand for it when the issue comes up.

 

[ralph]

Edit: this is in response to ralph's post regarding Star Wars. Quote attribution is not working for me at the moment

Not to speak for Christopher here, but I think his point was that a different environment does not mean its a different planet.

The forest and the desert scenes could be two different parts of the same planet in the movie.

This is unlike Star Wars where you have the all desert planet, the all water planet, and the all city planet.

Ok, but I don´t know if it would be cool to limit the story in one place. It is not a episode of TOS. It could be a moon of this planet or another planet in the same system.
For example, I didn´t like Inssurection. It seemed to me an STNG episode.

 

[Christopher]

But a planet is not "one place." That's the whole point. Sci-fi shows and movies tend to treat entire planets as single, small locations, but that's overly simplistic. An inhabited planet is thousands of different places. It could be home to hundreds of different cultures with separate languages, beliefs, objectives, histories, etc., just like Earth. Heck, you can find more cultural, ethnic, and linguistic diversity in a single neighborhood of a major American city than you'll find on most entire planets in SF film and TV. Sci-fi planets only get to have anything remotely like a realistic level of diversity when a show focuses on them for an extended period, like Bajor in DS9, Caprica in its namesake series, Mongo in the '07 Flash Gordon, etc.

I've long thought it'd be nice to have a Trek or similar series about a starship on a real planetary exploration mission -- not just a quick in-and-out visit in a few days, but an extended, in-depth expedition of the sort it would really take to get to know an entire planet. Each season would be devoted to a new planet, a world with enough different nations and subcultures and political/ideological factions and exotic environments to sustain a whole season's worth of stories.

 

[ralph]

But a planet is not "one place." That's the whole point. Sci-fi shows and movies tend to treat entire planets as single, small locations, but that's overly simplistic. An inhabited planet is thousands of different places. It could be home to hundreds of different cultures with separate languages, beliefs, objectives, histories, etc., just like Earth. Heck, you can find more cultural, ethnic, and linguistic diversity in a single neighborhood of a major American city than you'll find on most entire planets in SF film and TV. Sci-fi planets only get to have anything remotely like a realistic level of diversity when a show focuses on them for an extended period, like Bajor in DS9, Caprica in its namesake series, Mongo in the '07 Flash Gordon, etc.

I've long thought it'd be nice to have a Trek or similar series about a starship on a real planetary exploration mission -- not just a quick in-and-out visit in a few days, but an extended, in-depth expedition of the sort it would really take to get to know an entire planet. Each season would be devoted to a new planet, a world with enough different nations and subcultures and political/ideological factions and exotic environments to sustain a whole season's worth of stories.

Yes, I agree, you are right. But they think in terms of a movie full of action and adventure with space battle.

 

[Phantom]

The '07 Flash Gordon felt like a jigsaw planet...but of course that would be true to the source material.

Not that that was a deal-breaker on it's own...everything else about that show was so bad no one noticed.

 

[Locutus of Bored]

The fact that at least two massive outdoor built sets are involved is intriguing. Surely this is a first for Trek?

Not so sure. The 2009 film had both the Giant Space Drill set and the Delta Vega/"Kirk runs from ice planet monsters" set in the parking lot at Dodger Stadium. They may not have been quite as large as the "crashed starship" set, but they were not small. Then STID had the "space barge" set, the Nibiru forest set, and the volcano set, all constructed in a lot adjacent to Raleigh Studios' Playa del Rey location.

They also constructed the entire Ba'ku village on location for Insurrection.

The Valley of Fire, Nevada set for Soren's launcher on Veridian III was also quite extensive:

(click to enlarge)

 

[Franklin]

More from Trekcore:

http://trekcore.com/blog/2015/08/star-trek-beyond-updates-alice-eve-set-photos/

Alice Eve news (or non-news).

Quarry shots. With all this outside shooting, looks like are going to get a strange, new world.

 

[Christopher]

A quarry? Is this that Star Trek/Doctor Who crossover we've always wanted?