I just hope we get a sequel.
Spoilers STAR TREK BEYOND
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My Theory: A lot of, if not most of the "casual ST fans" out there are millennials that were originally exposed to Trek through TNG. I think a large portion of this group doesn't have much interest in TOS. They were brought up on the colder, more serious, soap opera style Trek of Picard & Co. Since the Kelvin Verse movies are more in the ilk of TOS, which is a more silly and swashbuckling style of Trek, I don't think it appeals as much to this demographic, and they quickly lost interest in nuTrek, especially after STID.
"Millennials" is the wrong term, as it applies to people who came of age around 2000 or later.
I'm a millennial and I grew up watching TNG. TNG was on rerun for a long time (still is). It was on 5 nights a week when I was a kid.
He modified his argument, not that specific post.
Read this again:
"I can't say I'm overly keen either. How difficult is it to replicate and update the perfect lines and proportions of the 1979 onwards refit?"
You'll find that it was Khan 2.0 that said he expected to see the exact same design, not me. I agreed with his initial post because yeah, it would have been nice to see, but my original and subsequent posts have repeatedly stated I would have liked to have seen this team's interpretation of that design. Time to move on.
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AndSo was I. As much as I love the kelvin timeline and the possibilities it represents sometimes this fan just needs to be thoroughly fanwanked.Khan 2.0 said:As the A was building up I was hoping/expecting it to look exactly like the 1979 refit
This quote clearly shows that an interpretation was definitely the second-best option, as far as what you wanted and expected.
You allowed the possibility of an interpretation, but it's not what you were originally arguing for.
I'm not so sure. I think in terms of style and feel, TNG had a bigger influence. A lot of the perception of Trek comes from the post-TOS views Roddenberry had in the 70's, which then led into the TNG era. Might just be my view - everyone and everywhere is different - but the general feeling is that Trek is serious and stoic television. Which seems, to me at least, to come from the TNG era more than TOS.
You are splitting hairs now. I was expecting it yes, but wasn't surprised in the slightest when it didn't happen, and it wasn't remotely a deal breaker for the scene or the movie. An updated version of it wasn't a 'second best option' despite how you're trying to nitpick my words, I fully accept that seeing the 1979 version of the ship was not a realistic expectation in a 2016 movie, nor have I tried to forcefully argue that it should have happened, I was just shooting the breeze with Khan 2.0, nothing more. I've tried to drop this pointless exchange several posts ago. Maybe you should too.
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This pointless exchange has been drawn out by you trying to twist and deny your original position, which was that expecting to see the refit was a reasonable thing to do. This strongly-held position has since been demoted to "just shooting the breeze".... 
This pointless exchange has been drawn out by you trying to twist and deny your original position, which was that expecting to see the refit was a reasonable thing to do. This strongly-held position has since been demoted to "just shooting the breeze"....
That first post in your quote was a response to RAMA jumping down my throat. Context is everything.
I could fully understand your position if I was some JJ-hating canon nazi that's ranting that everything be put back to the prime timeline or some other 'raped my childhood' bullshit. I am a massive fan of these new movies and always have been. Best thing to happen to Trek for a long time.
For the record:
Do I like the new design of the 'A' from what little I saw of it from one theatre viewing? Not really, but the jury is largely out until I see more of it in action.
Would I have liked to see the refit 1979 model at the end of Beyond? Yes.
Do I fully accept that it is totally unrealistic, but not an ureasonable to expect this, despite the plethora of easter eggs and call-backs in these new movies? Yes.
Would an updated version of the refit been just as good and depending on the design possibly better? Yes.
Do I think this is any way affects my enjoyment of Star Trek Beyond? Absolutely not.
Have I tried to drop the argument on several occasions? Yes.
Am I 100% done with this futile disagreement about fictional space vessels? Absolutely.
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I'm a millennial and while I can't speak for an entire generation of people (arbitrary or not), I don't quite fit this mold. I'm more of a TOS guy, at least in terms of character. As for story, I guess I'd be lying if I said TOS had stronger stories than TNG. In any case, the Kelvin Timeline films really appeal to me. I'm just one person though -- can't speak for everyone in my demographic.
EDIT: Beyond and STID rank very highly in my favorite Trek films. ST09 less so.
If they had used the refit or something similar, people would've just complained about it being too early in the timeline and that Lin and Abrams were unoriginal hacks.
You could argue that with every reference or call back though to be fair. It's about balance and not stuffing the films too much with fan service in my opinion. I think the three films have got this balance about right overall. Into Darkness probably sailed a little close to the edge, ST09 less so. Beyond had a lot of nods, tributes and winks but were nicely integrated into the film for me.
The spock prime/nimoy tribute in the movie is the best example of this, it was tastefully done, emotional, and managed to be a part of the story as well as nuspocks character arc in the film, with the photo scene on top of this it's just full marks all round for this element of the story.
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We’re still a ways out from anything really moving forward on the Beyond sequel – there’s not even a targeted release date yet announced – so anything about the film is likely to be all speculative from the cast until there’s more announced.
Hopefully, it won’t be another three years.
We’re still a ways out from anything really moving forward on the Beyond sequel – there’s not even a targeted release date yet announced – so anything about the film is likely to be all speculative from the cast until there’s more announced.
Hopefully, it won’t be another three years.
Well Thor--I mean Chris Hemsworth still mostly looks the same now as it did when ST09 was filmed. If they're doing a time travel story to the time when George Kirk was lost, they'll need him to look somewhat the same.
However, look at how long Avengers: Infinity War is supposed to film and you'll see when the soonest he'd likely be available.
However, look at how long Avengers: Infinity War is supposed to film and you'll see when the soonest he'd likely be available.
I think they may go for a Mirror Universe situation, where George Kirk didn't die but he exists in a fascist version of Starfleet and Kirk feels obligated to "rescue" him but Spock reminds him about the Prime Directive, etc. That's just my theory right now.
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