Spoilers STAR TREK BEYOND

[STEPhon IT]

How is that different than a man's?

Spock and Uhura are lovers, and from the first film she had indifference with Kirk but is conduit to understand Spock a little more, but her instinct's and responses to scenes fit well. It's a style; her tenderness, her outward devotion, and love. I'm also a woman so I understand those things so I'm phrasing it that way. When a man does those things in the JJverse between Kirk and Spock? You can call anything you want. When I notice a man's touch between Kirk and Spock I'll let you know.

 

[STEPhon IT]

I personally have no issues with Urban's McCoy. He has a sardonic touch that will is interesting to the mix. The fact that Uhura mixes well is a pleasant change. In fact, I think Uhura is among the more competent of the nu-crew.

I like her character a lot, and I like her chemistry with Spock.

 

[Malaika]

I love Urban and I don't have a problem with his acting and his Mccoy, but to be fair I think there is some truth in the assertion that he is an impersonation of the original character, especially if compared to the others. This clashes with the whole reboot/alternate reality thing a bit. I love that Nimoy for example didn't want Quinto to do that and he liked that he was his own Spock and has a different approach at the whole human side on the surface thing. Probably, if Deforest were alive, Urban would receive similar blessings and he'd feel maybe less pressure trying to honour the original actor as a fan.
I liked the Kirk/Bones dynamic being its own thing separated from K/S, it surely added something a bit more different to this Mccoy. I honestly despise the idea, in the reboot at least, of Kirk being the main guy and Spock and Mccoy being his friends only who argue with each other and that's it. I sure hope that if in beyond Spock and Mccoy interact more, their dynamic is not a caricature or impersonation of the old thing because it would make no sense for the way this Spock is developed. You should ignore what happened to him, and of course, you gotta ignore Uhura's role in his narrative. It's not the same Spock who denies his human side and wants to be more Vulcan than vulcans..and he doesn't need Mccoy or anyone teach him about the merits of emotion (using racism as a device.. ) And he had even the blessings of his own father making it clear that being vulcan is not mutually exclusive with having feelings. He is a much more balanced, honest character and more realistic portrayal of a hybrid. He is not the 60s flavour of mixed child who looks more like the white parent and has to deny his poc parent to get accepted by society. Our era still has issues and they surely are reflected in fiction too, but we have improved a bit in some aspects for sure.

How is that different than a man's?

That's what Pegg probably asked himself when he realized that he can't write for women...

 

[Locutus of Bored]

That's what Pegg probably asked himself when he realized that he can't write for women...

What are we basing that assessment on?

 

[Malaika]

Locutus of Bored, maybe the fact that he said that?

Spock and Uhura are lovers, and from the first film she had indifference with Kirk but is conduit to understand Spock a little more, but her instinct's and responses to scenes fit well. It's a style; her tenderness, her outward devotion, and love. I'm also a woman so I understand those things so I'm phrasing it that way. When a man does those things in the JJverse between Kirk and Spock? You can call anything you want. When I notice a man's touch between Kirk and Spock I'll let you know.

For me the narrative device making it different, beside her being a woman, is the kind of different dynamics she has with the two protagonists.
The ways Spock can be challenged by friendship are not the same how he is challenged by romantic love, and we already know Spock in those male friendships dynamics, but we never saw him in this different kind of relationship. With Kirk on the other hand, she is the girl he was attracted to and just another example of him being the 'ladies man' stereotype at first, but then she rejected him and this wasn't made an issue and he is still able to accept her as a friend..and she became a symbol of him having to mature as a captain and having to deserve getting called 'captain'. . James T Kirk having a female friend is no less 'new' than Spock having a girlfriend...and here you have her role with them and why it's new and different from the one Mccoy had.

Then there is the fact that in the first movie Spock and Uhura kind of have a similar dynamic with Kirk (going to disliking him to mutual respect) and then in the second movie, it's Kirk and Uhura whose dynamics with Spock parallel each other a bit when they have completely different relationships with him and, yet, have similar issues with him in that moment. So Spock's journey is understanding how to be accountable to your girlfriend and friends too.
What kind of questions will Beyond ask about these characters? What will be their journey? For now there is no hint about that.

 

[Locutus of Bored]

Locutus of Bored, maybe the fact that he said that?

I don't read every article about Star Trek Beyond or Simon Pegg. I wasn't aware that he said that, hence my question.

ETA: Anyway, here's the article in question if anyone else wants to see the context:
http://www.theguardian.com/film/201...ry-hard-to-write-for-women-man-up-tess-morris

 

[STEPhon IT]

I'm hoping there's a full trailer of the film before Civil War. The teaser was not a good one IMO, and hoping we get one soon.

 

[Kemaiku]

I think they said recently the newest trailer won't be out until May at some point. So if there is a new one attached to Civil War I'd be surprised.

 

[Nyotarules]

I like motorbikes and the Beastie Boys. But because they used the Beastie Boys during advertising doesn't mean that their music will be in the film itself.

Yeah but young militery men always listen to music three hundred years old. I can see it now, the present day armed forces jamming to Mozart or Greensleeves, why listen to stuff written in ther own time (like most folks do?)

 

[BillJ]

...why listen to stuff written in ther own time (like most folks do?)

Do you ask that same question of all of Star Trek? Or is it just a subtle slam at the Abrams films?

 

[Kemaiku]

It would be nice to have some authentic 2258 music to play during the movies, but I sense a slight issue with that approach...

 

[Franklin]

Yeah but young militery men always listen to music three hundred years old. I can see it now, the present day armed forces jamming to Mozart or Greensleeves, why listen to stuff written in ther own time (like most folks do?)

Well, music from their own time hasn't been written, yet.

I'll turn and give $20 to the person sitting to the right of me at STB if the Beastie Boys song in the teaser makes it to the soundtrack.

If I recall correctly, none of the music in the ST09 teasers and trailers made the movie. It was "canned" stuff, put in more or less as a placeholder. It's unlikely much, if any of the soundtrack was ready by the time of the STB teaser, let alone ready and appropriate for the teaser. Someone probably thought, hmm, need action music, Kirk listened to the Beastie Boys in ST09, so -- .

 

[fireproof78]

Yeah but young militery men always listen to music three hundred years old. I can see it now, the present day armed forces jamming to Mozart or Greensleeves, why listen to stuff written in ther own time (like most folks do?)

Given that my uncle, former Marine, former Army, listens to everything from Mozart, to ManOWar, I don't see the objection.

Musical tastes vary from individual to individual, and even Prime Kirk was shown to have a fondness for antiques.

 

[JWPlatt]

Seeing as how I can remember Uhura and Sulu's parts in STID but only Scotty's brief comedy bits I think Uhura had a bigger role. She fell far more in to the emotional adviser that McCoy could often be in TOS.

Uhura is developed as a character than Urban's caricature of DeForest Kelley; she fits better in the advisor role and it's welcoming to have a woman's touch on intense scenes.

How is that different than a man's?

Spock and Uhura are lovers, and from the first film she had indifference with Kirk but is conduit to understand Spock a little more, but her instinct's and responses to scenes fit well. It's a style; her tenderness, her outward devotion, and love. I'm also a woman so I understand those things so I'm phrasing it that way. When a man does those things in the JJverse between Kirk and Spock? You can call anything you want. When I notice a man's touch between Kirk and Spock I'll let you know.

You've completely changed the context of your statement from something generic and general about an emotional advisor to a new context of something very different and sexual in an attempt to change the context from which I asked my question. "A woman's touch" seems to imply that it is preferable and maybe even superior. My question was aimed at how women (represented by Uhura) might be better emotional advisors than men (represented by McCoy), if that's what you meant. In terms of the original context, it would be McCoy offering emotional advice to Kirk. That doesn't make them gay, as your comment about Kirk and Spock implies. In fact, TOS had a scene where Spock held Kirk's arm in emotional support. And in TMP, they clasped hands in an emotional bond.

So I ask again, how is a woman's emotional advice different than a man's?

 

[Nyotarules]

Do you ask that same question of all of Star Trek? Or is it just a subtle slam at the Abrams films?

Did the other movies imply only 20th century music was the thing to listen to?

 

[BillJ]

Did the other movies imply only 20th century music was the thing to listen to?

Not exactly. But there was no new music for any of the human characters. It was all music from the past. Are we just pissing on Abrams because of his choices in music?

 

[Nyotarules]

It would be nice to have some authentic 2258 music to play during the movies, but I sense a slight issue with that approach...

And yet STNG and DS9 managed to 'make up' alien music... must have been so difficult to be that creative. Even TOS had Uhura singing 'Beyond Antares' maybe she should have sung something from Motown since TOS was a 60's show

 

[Nyotarules]

Not exactly. But there was no new music for any of the human characters. It was all music from the past. Are we just pissing on Abrams because of his choices in music?

That's true, Uhura's song was a hit in 1960.. no 1970...no 1980 no the TOS writers made something up!

 

[JWPlatt]

That's what Pegg probably asked himself when he realized that he can't write for women...

He didn't say he can't. He said it was hard. It suggests he wants to get things right even when they are hard.

I trust someone more to be motivated to learn and improve when they can express that kind of candid self-awareness. Kudos to Pegg for being a good example.

 

[Shalashaska]

If you dislike any female character ever, you're a sexist.

DAE HATE WESLEY CRUSHER AND WISH HE'D FUCKING DIE!?