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Poll Star Trek 4 - Your Story Preferences?

What are your preferences for the plot of Stark Trek 4?


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What if instead of the mirror universe (in which the dark side from "The Enemy Within" is much more prominent), they visit the other-side-of-the-coin universe? The good, but without willpower and drive universe? (Which is not our universe - the whole, undivided Kirk is) The universe where people never seem to accomplish anything or make any hard choices? What would that look like?
 
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Well, since the entire premise of this movie series rests on the actions of this character, I'd say it has a everything to do with it. If people have forgot about the events of ST09 and moved on, this series becomes a harder sell I'd say.
That's like saying Avengers: Infinity War has everything to do with Obidiah Stane, because without him there'd have been no Iron Man, so every MCU movie has to be mindful of the fact that audiences should or even do remember Stane and "the actions of his character." It's technically true in a very narrow sense, but also completely besides the point many movies on.

The premise of '09, for mass-market purposes, wasn't "yet another alternate timeline, in an infinite multiverse of the same, this time with Nimoy-Spock along for the ride"; it was "kewl, brand-new Kirk and Spock first mission!" Mass audiences went along with the alternate reality stuff because the movie as a whole was fun, but that wasn't what sold them on the movie, it isn't what they liked about it, and it wasn't the selling point of the sequels, either.

Oh and her response? 'What the hell is a mirror universe? Sounds fucking stupid'
Which is why I very specifically told you to sell her on an evil universe, not a Mirror one. Ahem:

Give her a twenty-second pitch for the crew being "Trapped in an evil universe"​

It's not a fair test if you botch the pitch, now, is it? Hell, "Mirror Universe" is not even an in-universe term, so no, don't lead with that! :p

Fair enough, you've sold it reasonably well here, but the bottom line is - I just don't like it as an idea for the next movie, I don't really like Mirror Universe stuff in general, or most of the episodes that's used the concept previously
Well, then, there you have it. ;)
 
That's like saying Avengers: Infinity War has everything to do with Obidiah Stane, because without him there'd have been no Iron Man, so every MCU movie has to be mindful of the fact that audiences should or even do remember Stane and "the actions of his character." It's technically true in a very narrow sense, but also completely besides the point many movies on.

That's stretching things a tad. We're talking about direct sequels here not a cinematic universe. Each Marvel film stands on it's own generally speaking with the Avengers movies connecting them, it's not quite the same. Besides, we're talking about the rebooting of a 50 year old property that has a serious image problem that has had nowhere near the success and exposure of Marvel. A clear narrative that distinguishes the old from the new is quite important to this no?


Which is why I very specifically told you to sell her on an evil universe, not a Mirror one. Ahem:

Give her a twenty-second pitch for the crew being "Trapped in an evil universe"​

It's not a fair test if you botch the pitch, now, is it? Hell, "Mirror Universe" is not even an in-universe term, so no, don't lead with that! :p

I'm glad I did she would have screwed her face up at me even more - 'an evil universe? What are you talking about?' would have been her probable response.

Well, then, there you have it. ;)

Yep. I'm not making a secret of it. It's one of the very few flavours of Trek I simply dislike. I would rather see just about anything done for the fourth movie over this. :)
 
I think the Doomsday Machine would update well. Maybe with some investigation of the inside of the machine and discovery of its backstory.

The ironic thing is--that has been done--and I don't mean Vendetta.

Spinrad wanted his doomsday machine to eat regolith--with tentacles.

Well, we saw that--it was called the Narada.
 
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