Poll Star Trek 4 - Your Story Preferences?

[Ovation]

A challenge of some sort that doesn't involve firing weapons as a tool of war (could be used to bust up an asteroid or some other such thing). One that includes first contact with a species not encountered in any previous iteration of Trek. Previous species can be name dropped (totally optional), but no more than that. Won't happen, of course, but if we're asking what I want to see...

 

[fireproof78]

I thought you said something "different".

Far as I'm concerned, the Federation gets the bum rap too damn many times. I say, let them actually BE right for once.

This. All the supposed optimism about the Federation and everyone still wants the Federation to be evil and bad or caught doing something wrong.

I personally would prefer the Federation be presented in a positive light, and not constantly dogged by accusations of ill will and wrong doing. In a day and age where trust in government is low, such a story of where it can succeed might be the type of commentary that could work very well, specially coming from Kirk who used to be a rebel.

 

[jamestyler]

The only movie that had Federation as almost the bad guy was ST Insurrection

And the Undiscovered Country where members of the Federation/Starfleet tried to cause a war. You could even class the 2009 film as the Feds being naughty seeing as the flashbacks only showed Spock and the Vulcans helping Romulus (Nero did have a bit of a point in that regard).

And while not challenging the moral integrity of the Federation, Starfleets taken a kicking Into Darkness had a bad Admiral, 3/4 had the Enterprise crew go rogue because Starfleet wouldn't play nice saving Spock, Final Frontier showed them failing badly at the Nimbus 3 allied city, Picard had to defy orders to save the day in First Contact....

Starfleet and the Federation don't do well without someone going rogue or defying orders.

 

[Ovation]

Rarely does a bureaucratic entity serve as a supportive or heroic element in an action/adventure/sci-fi story. Wouldn't expect much more than what Beyond portrayed as far as Starfleet/Federation behaviour: competent but not leading the charge.

 

[fireproof78]

It would be a nice change then, in my opinion. Showcasing what this government can do rather than just a "bureaucracy."

You know-optimism?

 

[Ovation]

I understand the appeal. Just don't think it will sell in today's climate (unless it was a minor backdrop to the story). But hey, who knows?

 

[Nerys Myk]

Rarely does a bureaucratic entity serve as a supportive or heroic element in an action/adventure/sci-fi story. Wouldn't expect much more than what Beyond portrayed as far as Starfleet/Federation behaviour: competent but not leading the charge.

Even in TOS the Federation bureaucrats are shown as adversarial or obstacles to our heroes. Ferris, Baris, Fox, Hedford and to a lesser extent Sarek are in opposition to our heroes goals. On the Starfleet side we have Commodore Stocker and some Admirals.

 

[Laura Cynthia Chambers]

It doesn't have to be the Federation as a whole being right...we can leave the official position on something ambiguous. But directly contravening a previously unknown general order would be interesting too...

 

[fireproof78]

I understand the appeal. Just don't think it will sell in today's climate (unless it was a minor backdrop to the story). But hey, who knows?

Maybe, but I recall a point in another thread (I think about DSC) and social commentary were it doesn't have to be popular in order to work.

Regardless, I think, if done well with the characters, it could thread the edge of sellable and not. And I'm not usually one who wants more government, but if that's the world of the Federation, why not present it in the most positive manner as possible?

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

Rarely does a bureaucratic entity serve as a supportive or heroic element in an action/adventure/sci-fi story.

Perhaps not, but I don't see any particular reason why the Federation always has to be relegated to the depths of being a "bureaucratic entity". That's happened too many times already.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Perhaps not, but I don't see any particular reason why the Federation always has to be relegated to the depths of being a "bureaucratic entity". That's happened too many times already.

Always room for one more

 

[Ketrick]

I'm sure this will not be popular, but as unlikely as it is and as much as I'd like a Yesterday's Kelvin, my hope is for Khan to be brought back as an anti-hero not a villain. I would love for the villains to be the Tzenkethi. I would also love for Khan to get more back story and that at the end of the movie Khan dies saving Kirk and everybody and thus the Federation give Khan's Augments a planet of their own (one that isn't in the Ceti Alpha system).

 

[Hythlodeus]

I just want something relevant. If the writers take a good look at the EU, the refugee crisis, Brexit, the rise of the right wing movements in a lot of the member states, there's a story to be told. How about the Andorians wanting to leave the UFP, the Gorn or the Tholians, after being conquered by the Klingons, fleeing in Federation space, Betazed voting for a madman as a represantativ in the Federation Council? Star Trek worked always best as a parable

 

[ralph]

I think, Kirk, in Beyond, finally overcame the hurdle of being his father's son, in shadow of George Kirk.
Time travel is a complicated plot and it is an old topic.
I would like to see a small conflict with a captain Klingon in deep space. A strategy game play, like The
Wrath of Khan.
I remember that non-trekkers have liked Klingons in Into Darkness.
So, I would like to see a Klingon captain who is smart as Kirk, and cruel as Khan battling for possession of a powerful artifact.

 

[ralph]

I just want something relevant. If the writers take a good look at the EU, the refugee crisis, Brexit, the rise of the right wing movements in a lot of the member states, there's a story to be told. How about the Andorians wanting to leave the UFP, the Gorn or the Tholians, after being conquered by the Klingons, fleeing in Federation space, Betazed voting for a madman as a represantativ in the Federation Council? Star Trek worked always best as a parable

I liked it. The refugee crisis, involving Klingons, Federation, Kirk decision and diplomatic protection.
A plot very interesting and a current theme.

 

[psCargile]

A remake of ST: V.

 

[Nyotarules]

And the Undiscovered Country where members of the Federation/Starfleet tried to cause a war. You could even class the 2009 film as the Feds being naughty seeing as the flashbacks only showed Spock and the Vulcans helping Romulus (Nero did have a bit of a point in that regard).

And while not challenging the moral integrity of the Federation, Starfleets taken a kicking Into Darkness had a bad Admiral, 3/4 had the Enterprise crew go rogue because Starfleet wouldn't play nice saving Spock, Final Frontier showed them failing badly at the Nimbus 3 allied city, Picard had to defy orders to save the day in First Contact....

Starfleet and the Federation don't do well without someone going rogue or defying orders.

STUC - the conspiracy was not Federation policy and involved others outside the Federation
ST09 - Vulcan is a member of the Federation, it never implied they did not have Federation backing, after all I think La Forge designed the jellyfish according to the comics. As for taking 'insane with grief' Nero's words for what he said..pinch of salt comes to mind.
STID- Starfleet officer went rogue also Marcus actions was not Federation policy
STV - all the main powers screwed up there, however noble their intent
STFC - Picard defied an admiral, was the admiral giving him Federation policy?
The Federation as a state does pretty well, better than real life government. The odd 'don't have a clue' human Admiral does not represent Federation policy.

I hope the next movie shows a less humancentric Starfleet, so far every single Admiral/Captain is a human. It looks like a benevolent Terran empire.

 

[geotrek]

More alternate universe... it already is, of course, but how 'bout another encounter with the Terran Empire in Mirror, Mirror... or one where first contact never happened?

 

[Nyotarules]

More alternate universe... it already is, of course, but how 'bout another encounter with the Terran Empire in Mirror, Mirror... or one where first contact never happened?

That would be interesting. There is a Myriad universe in the novels where Vulcan never discovered Surak.

 

[geotrek]

^^ I just finished reading one... it must have influenced my idea. But, I've always loved the concept of an infinite number of realities happening at the same time. Maybe the Enterprise could discover some sort of portal/area that facilitated that type of travel/exploration?