Star Trek 4 Hits A Snag

[Johnny7oak]

I was surprised to hear that he said no, but CBS isn't honoring the agreement that was made. Maybe he thought they would be persuaded by threatening to walk, then they weren't and here we are. Natural that our favorite TV stars stick around for movies. It's better pay. I don't think cbs want to pay anything more. So my guess is that we may not see Star trek four any time soon. That's three with Pine four with Stewart and seven for Shatner. Maybe it's just the missing Gene Roddenberry to make his plea. There are other options... Quinton Tarentino? Was pitching a movie with older cast.

 

[M'Sharak]

I hold people who say Into Darkness wasn't a success in the same regard as those who say Discovery isn't: they simply aren't in touch with reality. And anyone who goes to the Discovery forum knows exactly what I think of it. I'm simply not interested in deluding myself because something doesn't work for me.

Don't do that.

You can say that you disagree with the position they've taken. You can explain why you disagree, or why you think their position is in error. But making it about someone's supposed delusions or about their state of being in touch with reality is unnecessarily personal, and it's unnecessary to the discussion. Avoid this kind of thing, pls.

 

[CorporalClegg]

There's a recency bias with critics (and moviegoers). To illustrate my point, do you actually think STB, STID & ST09 are all better films than TWOK?

Yup.

 

[BillJ]

Don't do that.

You can say that you disagree with the position they've taken. You can explain why you disagree, or why you think their position is in error. But making it about someone's supposed delusions or about their state of being in touch with reality is unnecessarily personal, and it's unnecessary to the discussion. Avoid this kind of thing, pls.

Apologies. I should have re-read the post before posting.

 

[Syd Shanshala]

There's a recency bias with critics (and moviegoers). To illustrate my point, do you actually think STB, STID & ST09 are all better films than TWOK?

They are 100% better movies. TWOK is probably the most overrated movie in history

 

[flandry84]

But does the size of the budget determine how good the movie is?
A tight script,inventive use of location would surely be better than yet another huge space battle eh?We’ve seen huge space battles and to labour the cliche,you see one you’ve seen ‘em all.
A tight atmospheric planet bound adventure with the minimum of whizz-bangery would be just the ticket.

 

[F. King Daniel]

They could remake the movie Devil, set it on the Enterprise, call it Turbolift and I'd watch it.

 

[Markonian]

Actually, we didn’t get many cool space battles in two of the last three Trek films.

Enterprise always gets its ass handed and the enemy craft has/have to be crippled by a (though cool) trick. At closest, Franklin battles the Altamid swarm with conventional pew. We didn’t even see the Narada crunch the swarming Federation fleet.

No fleet actions á la FC, NEM, DS9: “Sacrifice of Angels”.

 

[Ovation]

To be honest, I don't really look for "cool space battles" in Trek. Star Wars scratches that particular itch well enough.

 

[fireproof78]

There's a recency bias with critics (and moviegoers). To illustrate my point, do you actually think STB, STID & ST09 are all better films than TWOK?

Yes. One is technically sound and well put together but the other three engaged me on a very personal level.

 

[BillJ]

To illustrate my point, do you actually think STB, STID & ST09 are all better films than TWOK?

I think Into Darkness is the better movie. The Wrath of Khan is a pretty thin movie plotwise that hangs almost entirely on Shatner and Montalban chewing scenes.

The Wrath of Khan didn't seem to have a lot to say beyond "getting old makes you incompetent".

 

[Syd Shanshala]

The Wrath of Khan didn't seem to have a lot to say beyond "getting old makes you incompetent".

A theme that was immediately thrown out the window for the next 2 movies, even though they take place days/months later.

The kelvinverse movies are extremely well put together for being the “action/sci-fi” blend that they are. For all the complaining about Kirk’s daddy problems I do he’s at least got a consistent character arc. I feel for Pine more than I ever did for Shatner.

 

[Belz...]

I'd just drop Hemsworth and use the money to get Pine, rework the script a bit, and film ASAP. Can't afford to lose the ball, here.

 

[gottacook]

TWoK is being criticized again, but without it, none of us would even be here. It's not without flaws, but its importance is wrapped up in its effect, more than what it actually consists of.

 

[Gingerbread Demon]

I hate that the Enterprise gets crunched in all the movies... For once can they keep the bloody ship in one piece? Scotty would be upset

 

[fireproof78]

TWoK is being criticized again, but without it, none of us would even be here. It's not without flaws, but its importance is wrapped up in its effect, more than what it actually consists of.

But it isn't the be all end all. Just because it set the precedent (which, I find frustrating in its own right) doesn't mean that it makes it a more enjoyable film.

 

[MakeshiftPython]

The more TWOK gets praise the more it’s critics are vocal about its shortcomings. It’s the same reason any hyped movie gets some blowback. Every time a movie wins an Oscar there’s always that loud group that dismisses them “I don’t see what the big deal is!” This is the same for the opposite. TMP is largely dismissed, so it’s fans are more vocal in its defense for being “cerebral” or “hard sci-fi”.

 

[Gingerbread Demon]

I LOVE TMP if only for the fact it's a visual feast.... Such gorgeous images and things happening on screen. It's also a good movie.

 

[CorporalClegg]

TWoK is being criticized again, but without it, none of us would even be here.

How do you know?

It's not without flaws, but its importance is wrapped up in its effect, more than what it actually consists of.

But importance is not indicative of quality.

Is it a more important film than the Kelvin films? Probably.
Is it a better film? No.

 

[SITZKRIEG!]

I'd just drop Hemsworth and use the money to get Pine, rework the script a bit, and film ASAP. Can't afford to lose the ball, here.

The problem is that if they cave to Pine then the other "lesser" cast might do the same. It's likely they're being asked to proportionately decrease their own salary increases as well. Some might have already agreed to it and renege themselves (as a group, probably not individually, to increase their bargaining power) if they see CBS cave. I agree in principle with your proposition but I think in the hollywood industry that it's probably more complicated than just that one deal and done.