Very well. Those are your personal opinions that I disagree with. It is what it is.
Star Trek 4 Hits A Snag
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Very well. Those are your personal opinions that I disagree with. It is what it is.
It's Paramount who are greedy. Pine has the right to be paid what was agreed back when he signed the contract. The underperformance of Beyond is not down to him. The marketing from Paramount was craptastic. Hardly anyone knew or cared about Beyond being out. The cast and crew can only do their best work on the movie. Then it's up to the distributors.
Actors know how much they're worth. Pine isn't going to take a pay cut when his star is on the rise. Cut Hemsworth. He's not needed. Kirk's daddy issues have had three movies to be dealt with. Move on and save money.
Actors know how much they're worth. Pine isn't going to take a pay cut when his star is on the rise. Cut Hemsworth. He's not needed. Kirk's daddy issues have had three movies to be dealt with. Move on and save money.
You don't know what these guys plan to do with their income.
Greed is selfish desire. For all you know they could plan on using the money to benefit others, support causes or create a business that employs people and develops new products/services that benefit the world.
All of that is still irrelevant. A contract is a contract no matter how much a person is worth. I'm sure Contract Law doesn't look at how much a person is worth. Can Pine renegotiate for less? Sure if he wants to, though I'm sure he has factors to consider in that judgement that would affect his work with other film companies trying the same thing or other factors we are not aware of. And really, why should he have to? I wouldn't, no matter how much I loved my job. It is how people make a living and increase their wealth. It just strikes me as unfair to judge a person when you don't know all the factors or issues in play. Or to judge a person because they make x amount of dollars a year or really for any other reason. So I tend to think labeling him greedy is a strange opinion to hold but I agree to disagree.
The facts are Pine had a contract and Paramount doesn't want to uphold said contract because of losses they incurred as a result of mismanagement of previous film. End of.
It's all good. I will not try to refute anyone's claims further. The capitalist mindset is too entrenched into society for me to fight it. It's pissing into the wind on my part.
You should really just log off dude.
Just let me know when you're willing to give any excess salary back to your employer.
Impugning someone's character need not be part of any critique of capitalism (or any other economic system). My sense of the flow of the conversation is that the nature of objections to your points lies not in its criticism of capitalism (in the aggregate--I do not presume to speak for anyone individually), but rather your characterization of the actors as "greedy" in the absence of substantive proof of their state of mind. A concerted effort at pointing out the inequities of capitalism, particularly in an unfettered form, is perfectly defensible. Perhaps it would be more persuasive as an argument if it focused on the system, rather than individuals. Just a thought.
Just let me know when you're willing to give any excess salary back to your employer.
That point for me would probably be around 3-5 mil after which point I would never have an employer again from that day forth.
Something to consider, certainly.
At which point you'd probably buy a bigger house, a few cars and your overall expenditure would increase, leading you to wanting more. Or is every other wealthy person somehow doing it wrong?
I wouldn't, though. I would merely have more freedom to do with my time as I please. I don't care about houses or cars beyond their utility.
Every? No. Many? Yes.
Depends on industry - NFL contracts are made to be broken by owners at their choosing, negotiated by a cba.
NBA,MLB,all contracs fully guaranteed
Acting contracts I'm not aware of, but sorry if I signed for X and studio wants me to take less than it's an individual decision. If the Chris' want to stay firm at what they signed for we'll within their rights
To blame that on capitalism is head scratching..... it's common sense n the contracts weren't signed in a socialist/communist country, but in a capitalist based one. Whether an individual likes/dislikes that is irrelevant to the contract
NBA,MLB,all contracs fully guaranteed
Acting contracts I'm not aware of, but sorry if I signed for X and studio wants me to take less than it's an individual decision. If the Chris' want to stay firm at what they signed for we'll within their rights
To blame that on capitalism is head scratching..... it's common sense n the contracts weren't signed in a socialist/communist country, but in a capitalist based one. Whether an individual likes/dislikes that is irrelevant to the contract
To each their own. If a person makes a lot more $$ than me, and I have a good friend who is senior VP of a large company and I certainly am NOT, that is their credit.
You want more, go earn more period is my moto. Not their responsibility to give to others more than their lawful share, Beauty of U.S. I personally don't care if an individual has a slew of cars or homes, etc. or makes more than me, measure my family's happiness.
I'm bummed out about this. I really liked the past 3 movies, all of them. I liked them a lot and wanted more.
Pine is being advised not to lower his pre-negotiated fee, and I don't see why that isn't good advice. Pine and his agent have to worry about how Pine might be negatively perceived by future (non-Paramount) employers. They would want to know why he took a pay cut to appear in a fourth Trek movie, and what good answer is there in a negotiating situation? If you say you did it to help out Paramount, this other hypothetical studio would assume you'd similarly help them out.
Exactly. It would be foolish of him, and devalue his status as an actor moving forward in his career.
I'm a socialist. I've been called borderline Marxist.
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