STAR TREK 4 BACK ON! Noah Hawley to write and direct

Discussion in 'Star Trek Movies: Kelvin Universe' started by King Daniel Beyond, Nov 19, 2019.

  1. King Daniel Beyond

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    Paramount have transferred some of their riskier propositions to Netflix (Cloverfield Paradox, 6 Underground, Beverly Hills Cop 4), so the next Trek movie could wind up there or CBS-AA.
     
  2. Malaika

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    This is nothing new.
    If you read the articles when the new deal was announced, JJ accepted the deal with Warner precisely because it isn't exclusive and bad robot is still allowed to work with other studios. People misuranderstood what these deals are really about and thus why Paramount didn't need to make a new one with them to still produce trek movies together.
    JJ also said he's still looking forward to making movies with Paramount as they still have projects.

    I don't know if this fourth trek movie is really made, but people kept making assumptions about kelvin trek by bad robot being over, because of the deal, when the truth is the possibility JJ and bad robot may still produce kelvin trek or other paramount movies isn't surprising. If the deals were exclusive, JJ and bad robot wouldn't have been allowed to work with Disney while they had the deal with Paramount.
     
  3. Mr. Adventure

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    Didn't see Fargo but Legion was interesting. I didn't always think it worked but when it failed it did it with style! I think he has the potential to create an interesting take.

    hmm, it's not quoting your wiki quote but I have a question about opening in 37 theaters. How does that work? Ad Astra opened in over 3400, for example. Is it because the film was bad that it got so few theaters or was that limited release partly to blame for its bad performance? I really don't know the answer to that and am curious.

    If it had been on my radar as both being out in theaters and a Noah Hawley movie I might have went and checked it out.
     
  4. valkyrie013

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    If they get there act together, they'll film it next year, with a probable release summer 2021, maybe earlier in the year.
    So a 5 year gap between 2016 to 2021. Had a 4 year gap of Stid and beyond 2012-2016 so it's not unheard of.
    So another 3-4 year gap in movie time, time jump, so a few years on the Enterprise A. Maybe winding down the 5 year mission, maybe say checkov is on the relient as first officer. Sulu up for captain board, rest looking forward to a long break.
     
  5. Peach Wookiee

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    I think letting Chekov be another casualty of the new timeline is okay, too.
     
  6. David cgc

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    Nobody has the God-given right to be entrusted with tens of millions of dollars, hundreds of people’s professional reputations, and the stewardship of a cultural institution. Not getting a high-profile job is not some draconian punishment that should only be reserved for murderers, the Hollywood equivalent of the death penalty. It, by definition, happens to nearly everyone, all the time.

    I’m not saying he should be paraded naked through the streets, I’m saying a big black mark on a relatively thin résumé should probably count against him for at least two whole months. Another poster compared Hawley’s situation to Whedon’s when he got The Avengers after Serenity, except there were seven years between those two movies, he had a much deeper history with the genre, he’d been a credited film writer for twenty years, Serenity nearly made back its budget...

    I mean, come on. Nemesis was a more successful film, and killed an entire franchise. Why is it so hard to consider that a much bigger business failure should have the briefest effect on the career of one person? The least-horrible reason I can think of is Paramount thinks they’re being clever, and hiring him cheap since he’s got a stink on him, and are penny-pinching the film. Which is hilarious, because CBS’s year-round Trek TV strategy is probably costing at least a movie’s worth of money altogether.
     
  7. fireproof78

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    Hyperbole much?

    My only point was that one mistake doesn't equal forever unable to work.

    Secondarily, since they are still in final negotiations (at least from what I have read) then this could still change. Also, the film that he is getting dogged for is barely a month in to theaters. I don't think its going to be a record setting, but man, the doom and gloom predictions are quick on the draw nowadays.

    I think you are on to something that Paramount thinks they can get him cheap. Which, fine by me. People have been saying that maybe a lower budget Trek project could be more successful. So why not?
     
  8. valkyrie013

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    Well the last movie made 350 mill. So to make money, you'd have to make the movie for 100mill and 50 mill for press. Beyond cost 185 plus press..
    So a 100 or so mill star trek wouldn't be 2000 explosions.. Maybe a more character peice like the older movies.
     
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  9. Reanok

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    I'd like to see a new Star Trek 4 Kelvin verse movie I really like this cast and hope it happens.:bolian: I really liked Star trek Beyond and wonder who would replace Chekov. I wonder if it would be Kevin Riley or someone else.
     
  10. Greg Cox

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    Track records don't mean everything. Consider:

    TMP: Directed by Robert Wise, a legendary director responsible for many classic films, including some huge box-office hits.

    KHAN: Meyer was a novelist with one small movie on his resume, TIME AFTER TIME, which was not exactly a box-office smash, and Harve Bennett was mostly a TV producer, hired for his ability to produce stuff on TV budgets.

    Which movie turned out better?

    Regarding Chekov, I wouldn't replace him. Just have transferred offscreen to the Reliant or something. There's no rule that says you HAVE to feature Chekov; the original series managed for an entire season without him, and didn't TAS omit him, too? Bring in Arex or Jaylah or somebody else instead.

    You can always recast Chekov in the NEXT reboot.
     
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    If all this comes to pass, cool. I've enjoyed all of the Kelvin Timeline movies and definitely would like to see the cast back together for another adventure. I think the movie should introduce a new female character to replace a promoted & reassigned off-screen Chekov, but still kind of have his vibe and energy, IMO. I'd rather have that than to have Chekov recast, personally.
     
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    I am delighted to see the Kelvin verse is not dead. I do hope Jaylah is in it.
     
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  13. Greg Cox

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    I would love to see Jaylah.
     
  14. XCV330

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    The long delay has given her plenty of time to graduate Academy and get her midshipmen period over with, too.
     
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    I'd just like to say now that if this flops (and seeing how many high profile Paramount movies are tanking, it's a distinct possibility), I'm still calling it a win because we get another Kelvinverse movie:bolian:
     
  16. pst

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    i hope they go for broke with this one. beyond was a good movie with a bad release date and marketing campaign, but even if those things were remedied, it still wasn't a billion dollar blockbuster. paramount needs to pump a lot of money and spectacle into 4, make it something everyone wants to see (like 2009) and maybe they'll see a return on their investment.

    but with star wars out of the way and marvel cooling off a tad, this is good timing.
     
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  17. Nightowl1701

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    Honestly, given that the three films spanned five years story-wise and it's been a decade real-world wise, and also given that the actors were older than the characters they were playing, I'd be okay with actually time jumping forward a whole decade past Beyond into what their equivalent of the TMP era would be - new uniforms, new props, totally different looking sets, the works. Let's see how Pine looks with curly hair and a turtleneck! :rommie:
     
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    Thrilled! This cast is great and Pine finally got to show us a more mature, less frat-boy Kirk. He nailed it and Beyond was a great deal of fun. I'm fine with Lin being replaced, his camera work was too showy for me (how many swooping dutch angles does one film need?), and I'm intrigued at the choice of new director.

    Bring it on!!!
     
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  19. flandry84

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    Dunno about the big budget extravaganza.
    Seems to me that script was sacrificed for spectacle last time out.
    Personally I hope that for once,just once we could have a trek movie where the ship isn’t blown to smithereens.
     
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    earth...but when?...spock?