ST3 Reportedly Being Filmed in Vancouver in 2016

[BeatleJWOL]

Para Mobius did announce on October 30th Orci was fired... He was right.

It's like Cassandra all over again. People don't listen and shoot the messenger.

Star Trek 03 or Star Trek XIII is in trouble.

Shooting for this movie was to start in February according to several actors. That six weeks from now!

We don't have a release date, a script, a director, actors signed on besides the regulars. the Paramount pre-production staff being send home... There is nothing at the moment. Except for Bob Orci telling people it's all alright. Come on, it is clearly not.

On January 31st 2015 the non compete contract CBS has with Paramount/Bad Rabot wil expire.

CBS is planning to bring back Trek to the small screen with prime universe stories. They don't like the JJ Abrams universe version of Trek. They hate it. I for one don't hate it and I understand why they chose for this alternate timeline.

People who are running the Bring back Enterprise for Season 5 campaign on Facebook (people who were involved in Star Trek like Rob Bolivar en Doug Drexler have posted several messages from CBS in their group. Those messages confirm CBS can't do anything officially until January 31st 2015. They want to bring Trek back to the small screen with prime universe stories and don't want to work with Bad Robot's alternate universe.

Of course: I know people won't believe me as well. Which is fine. It will all become clear in the first quarter of 2015.

Quoting for posterity.

 

[F. King Daniel]

CBS is planning to bring back Trek to the smallscreen with prime universe stories. They don't like the JJ Abrams universe version of Trek. They hate it. I for one don't hate it and I understand why they chose for this alternate timeline.

This strikes me as completely implausible. The reboot not only made a ton of money, but put Trek right back in the public eye. To go back to the old continuity, which died a horrible death with Nemesis and Enterprise (and no amount of ridiculous number-twisting can deny that), is bad business and reads like a fanboy's wet dream. A new series would most likely either capitalise on the recent movies, or be another fresh start, free of any continuity baggage.

 

[Mudd]

It's possible, I suppose, that CBS doesn't automatically get to use material developed specifically for the movies - if there's some payment involved, they might want to avoid it.

Since they're not going to resurrect the old Prime Universe continuity as it previously existed - a product that had been sinking commercially since 1993 - if they don't use the Abramsverse they'll create yet another version of Trek continuity, taking what the new producers like from oldTrek and rethinking it to appeal to present-day viewers.

That will mean three versions of Star Trek's continuity - oldTrek, Abramsverse, and nuTVTrek.

This will, no doubt, please trekkie purists no end.

The smart thing, the thing CBS would be almost certain to do, would be to bring Orci on as producer of their new TV series. He and Kurtzman have delivered a great deal of success for CBS up to this point.

 

[Visitor1982]

Whatever the future holds for Star Trek, I guess we will all find out in the first quarter of 2015.

Be it a Bad Robot Star Trek III movie, a Star Trek XIII without Bad Robot, a new CBS TV series in the prime universe or in the Abramsverse or no new TV series at all.

The one thing that does puzzle me is why people are denying that something is not as it should be with Star Trek III.

No director, no script, no pre-production, no release date, no signed on actors beside the regular cast and all that for a movie that is supposed to be shooting in six or seven WEEKS.

I'm not one of the Abrams haters. Actually, I love Lost, Fringe, Almost Human, Person of Interest, Super 8 and most of the other stuff he has done. I thought that first Star Trek movie he did was nice, the second one not so. Visually both looked stunning. But still. I would love it if Orci could do something for Star Trek on TV.

However, to deny that everything isn't as it should be with Star Trek III, that seems weird to me.

 

[Visitor1982]

This is more info regarding CBS and a possible Star Trek TV series from the Star Trek Enterprise season 5 campaign on Facebook. I believe Enterprise is done… but CBS is considering their options.

This page is run by Doug Drexler (developer of the NX01 Enterprise) and Rob Bolivar, writer for DS9 and ENT. So I'm sure they have some know how...

“Star Trek Enterprise Season 5 – Netflix campaign
9 september
Because people are not being civil and not understanding the situation, here’s a bit of what we do and do not know at this point, maybe this will clarify some of the reasoning behind some of the recent going on’s.

1) CBS will NOT make a definite decision on ANY new Trek series or continuing any old series until Q1 2015. They have indicated that while we may never see a full season of Enterprise, there are other options available to wrap up the series and give fans the Romulan War that they want. CBS has discussed at least 4 other options.

2) CBS has stated in no uncertain terms that at this time, since they are not sure how they are handling the Anniversary year, that they will NOT allow us to initiate a Kickstarter, and I agree with them on their reasoning which is twofold. a) They feel that giving a kickstarter means that CBS would be subordinate to the fans wishes and they could not move forward in a manner that they wish, they would constantly be bombarded with letters saying “Hey I paid for you to do X and I’m gonna sue if you don’t” b)there are other means of funding a series that do not require them to give up their ownership of the brand to the fans, and they are sticking to those, as well as the copyright issues involved, for example it took us over 6 months just to be able to use the Refit on the page due to restrictions.

3) This was NEVER a short term proposition, and behind the scenes there’s a lot of discussion going on. Netflix may not be the vehicle they use to do this, they may be the vehicle used, CBS has a plethora of other options at their disposal and they are painstakingly dissecting and investigating each and every one of them, it takes time though, and I get the feeling that people do not understand this.

4) As for our part, Rob has been in discussion with Viacom/National Amusements (CBS’s Parent Company) and I have been working with CBS to update the assets to work with the newer rendering software. There are some neat little things we’ve been able to get done, and demo’s of virtual sets are now being built to show how to do that. CBS is 100% behind what we are doing, with a few restrictions and we adhere to those restrictions.

5) CBS reads this page daily, what this means in plain English is that they see all of the negative nasty comments that are thrown at them and it makes them less likely to do anything. as it was explained, CBS Television had ZERO to do with the JJ Movies and they are insulted and offended that they have been lumped in with the execs at Paramount that made the decision to move forward with them, they understand it’s not what the fans want, and are taking careful baby steps to ensure that they do not make a mistake in this matter, esp with 2016 right around the corner.

6) Finally, I am ONE person, and while there are a few other people that have administrative status, they are quite busy, and cannot be around as much as they would like to right now. Bashing me is not going to make me want to pour a lot of work into this project, it will just make me throw up my hands and say screw it, I don’t want to get to that point. Please have some courtesy and when I ask nicely that you not do something, understand that it is not easy to ask, and that it’s for a reason, even if you do not totally understand that reason.

Thanks a bunch for reading this novel – J”

Another post from that Facebook page:

“George Askew - I was told by one of celebrity guest @ DST3 that CBS will not consider a new Star Trek tv show’s / series at all until after all the new movies have been done because it’s in the movie contract that they can’t until after. Is that right Jen? Because if it is then not even Netflix could do anything until after
Vind ik leuk · Beantwoorden · 27 oktober om 10:07 · Bewerkt

Star Trek Enterprise Season 5 – Netflix campaign - Jan 2015 is when the non compete contract expires, nothing can even be discussed until then..
Vind ik leuk · 27 oktober om 14:26″

 

[Jedi_Master]

Oh.. the Internet, where if a person just repeats the same thing over and over, it counts as "authenticity".
I can imagine that any delays in the production of the next Star Trek movie will not impact it's box office receipts in the slightest, or destroy the future of nuTrek.

 

[Tom]

Visitor, may I ask what your sources are on this? I know there is some internal issues going on at Paramount over the next film, thing is, people can tend to bloat the story a bit more than it needs to be. I can actually see Paramount parting with Bad Robot at some point but there are contracts for 3 films (09/STID/ the new one), that are not so easily untangled. I believe that they will get this movie done for the fall of 2016. After that who can tell.

As for Star Trek on TV, Bad Robot's non compete contract with Paramount (for cinematic films), it is not a factor in CBS waiting to put out a new series. CBS can put a series out anytime they want to. They do want to gage the popularity of Star Trek these days with how well they the films do, but they are not certainly bound to that.

 

[Visitor1982]

As for Star Trek on TV, Bad Robot's non compete contract with Paramount (for cinematic films), it is not a factor in CBS waiting to put out a new series. CBS can put a series out anytime they want to. They do want to gage the popularity of Star Trek these days with how well they the films do, but they are not certainly bound to that.

CBS has a non compete contract with Paramount regarding new Star Trek TV series. This contract expires in January 2015.

A CBS spokesperson confirmed this on the 'Let get Enterprise a 5th season' campaign on Facebook. Although I don't think a 5th season of Enterprise will ever happen, the people involved are in the know. People like Doug Drexler and Rob Bolivar. Both whom worked on Enterprise and Rob on DS9 as well.

I guess all we can do is wait and see what happens.

 

[Tom]

CBS has a non compete contract with Paramount regarding new Star Trek TV series. This contract expires in January 2015.

A CBS spokesperson confirmed this on the 'Let get Enterprise a 5th season' campaign on Facebook. Although I don't think a 5th season of Enterprise will ever happen, the people involved are in the know. People like Doug Drexler and Rob Bolivar. Both whom worked on Enterprise and Rob on DS9 as well.

That is completely wrong, CBS can green light a series anytime they want, Paramount only holds the rights to Star Trek cinematic FILMS. Provide me the direct quote from the CBS spokes person, not hearsay.

There are something that are not quite right in that Facebook post, such as Viacom owning CBS, that was true before 2006 but since then they have been two separate entities. CBS is the absolute owner of CBS with a contract to Paramount (as owned by Viacom) for exclusive film rights.

Yes, Enterprise is never coming back (trust me, I know), there are more legal and compensative reasons than you can shake a stick at. I know Doug personally and I love him to death, but he needs to give that campaign up. As for Funding, we already tried that back in 2005 (before Kickstarter existed) with Trekunited, so, been there and done that as they say. People are blowing things out of proportion.

As for ST3, Paramount had issues where the direction of the film was going, stepped in, and now Orci is out. Stuff like this happens all the time in the industry (you only take notice in big scale projects, but It happens), its just business, plain and simple, not need to attach any conspiracy theories to it.

The 50th anniversary has just about already been blow by CBS and possibly Paramount. They will shoehorn a new director in there but things will be rushed and a film will be hard pressed to be out by September 2016. CBS does not have much to offer besides announcing a new series and maybe (to a lesser degree) green lighting DS9 and Voyager's re-mastering to HD.

 

[Visitor1982]

^

People in the know, like those guys on the Facebook page to get Enterprise a 5th season have mentioned several times that CBS DOES have a noncompete contract regarding TV series. They have been told so by the people at CBS. I don't think they are lying.

Of course: if you want proof in the sense of reading the contract. I guess you know that is not possible. But I tend to believe those people who have been working on Star Trek for several years in the past.

What I believe to be true is: CBS could make a new TV series with Bad Robot/Paramount in the new Abramsverse, but CBS can not make a new Star Trek series based in the original universe before January 31st 2015 because they have a non compete contract with Paramount and or Bad Robot regarding using the original universe.

CBS does not want to make a new series in the Abramsverse (They have told JJ Abrams himself) and are waiting for their non compete contract to expire so that they can make a original universe TV series.

Again, that's what I believe. A new Star Trek series in the original universe and trouble in paradise for Star Trek XIII. Possibly no film at all and lawsuits coming up. That would be a terrible, terrible way to celebrate Star Trek's 50th Anniversary.

We'll have to wait and see what happens.

 

[M'Sharak]

Para Mobius did announce on October 30th Orci was fired... He was right.

It's like Cassandra all over again. People don't listen and shoot the messenger.

Nobody has shot Para Mobius yet, to the best of my knowledge, and that's not quite the way things played out for Cassandra, either.

 

[Visitor1982]

Para Mobius did announce on October 30th Orci was fired... He was right.

It's like Cassandra all over again. People don't listen and shoot the messenger.

Nobody has shot Para Mobius yet, to the best of my knowledge, and that's not quite the way things played out for Cassandra, either.

The shooting wasn't meant to be taken literally, but I guess you knew that...

 

[M'Sharak]

Para Mobius did announce on October 30th Orci was fired... He was right.

It's like Cassandra all over again. People don't listen and shoot the messenger.

Nobody has shot Para Mobius yet, to the best of my knowledge, and that's not quite the way things played out for Cassandra, either.

The shooting wasn't meant to be taken literally, but I guess you knew that...

I sorta figured. And shooting the messenger is from a different story, anyway.

Anyhoo, the way it looks to me is that this Para Mobius noticed some things and compared notes with a few other industry-watchers who noticed some of the same things. While he turns out to have been correct that Orci is out as director and that the production seems to be on hold until they get that and the script sorted out, a lot of the other stuff Para has been claiming still sound as if he put two and two together and got 47. Some imaginative conclusions have been drawn (or perhaps leapt to) based on sources of information yet to be identified. What I think I'll do is just wait and see how much can be verified and how much can't.

 

[BillJ]

This is more info regarding CBS and a possible Star Trek TV series from the Star Trek Enterprise season 5 campaign on Facebook. I believe Enterprise is done… but CBS is considering their options.

This page is run by Doug Drexler (developer of the NX01 Enterprise) and Rob Bolivar, writer for DS9 and ENT. So I'm sure they have some know how...

“Star Trek Enterprise Season 5 – Netflix campaign
9 september
Because people are not being civil and not understanding the situation, here’s a bit of what we do and do not know at this point, maybe this will clarify some of the reasoning behind some of the recent going on’s.

1) CBS will NOT make a definite decision on ANY new Trek series or continuing any old series until Q1 2015. They have indicated that while we may never see a full season of Enterprise, there are other options available to wrap up the series and give fans the Romulan War that they want. CBS has discussed at least 4 other options.

2) CBS has stated in no uncertain terms that at this time, since they are not sure how they are handling the Anniversary year, that they will NOT allow us to initiate a Kickstarter, and I agree with them on their reasoning which is twofold. a) They feel that giving a kickstarter means that CBS would be subordinate to the fans wishes and they could not move forward in a manner that they wish, they would constantly be bombarded with letters saying “Hey I paid for you to do X and I’m gonna sue if you don’t” b)there are other means of funding a series that do not require them to give up their ownership of the brand to the fans, and they are sticking to those, as well as the copyright issues involved, for example it took us over 6 months just to be able to use the Refit on the page due to restrictions.

3) This was NEVER a short term proposition, and behind the scenes there’s a lot of discussion going on. Netflix may not be the vehicle they use to do this, they may be the vehicle used, CBS has a plethora of other options at their disposal and they are painstakingly dissecting and investigating each and every one of them, it takes time though, and I get the feeling that people do not understand this.

4) As for our part, Rob has been in discussion with Viacom/National Amusements (CBS’s Parent Company) and I have been working with CBS to update the assets to work with the newer rendering software. There are some neat little things we’ve been able to get done, and demo’s of virtual sets are now being built to show how to do that. CBS is 100% behind what we are doing, with a few restrictions and we adhere to those restrictions.

5) CBS reads this page daily, what this means in plain English is that they see all of the negative nasty comments that are thrown at them and it makes them less likely to do anything. as it was explained, CBS Television had ZERO to do with the JJ Movies and they are insulted and offended that they have been lumped in with the execs at Paramount that made the decision to move forward with them, they understand it’s not what the fans want, and are taking careful baby steps to ensure that they do not make a mistake in this matter, esp with 2016 right around the corner.

6) Finally, I am ONE person, and while there are a few other people that have administrative status, they are quite busy, and cannot be around as much as they would like to right now. Bashing me is not going to make me want to pour a lot of work into this project, it will just make me throw up my hands and say screw it, I don’t want to get to that point. Please have some courtesy and when I ask nicely that you not do something, understand that it is not easy to ask, and that it’s for a reason, even if you do not totally understand that reason.

Thanks a bunch for reading this novel – J”

Another post from that Facebook page:

“George Askew - I was told by one of celebrity guest @ DST3 that CBS will not consider a new Star Trek tv show’s / series at all until after all the new movies have been done because it’s in the movie contract that they can’t until after. Is that right Jen? Because if it is then not even Netflix could do anything until after
Vind ik leuk · Beantwoorden · 27 oktober om 10:07 · Bewerkt

Star Trek Enterprise Season 5 – Netflix campaign - Jan 2015 is when the non compete contract expires, nothing can even be discussed until then..
Vind ik leuk · 27 oktober om 14:26″

I just don't buy any of this. Entertainment companies tend to not look fondly on people going around blabbing about private agreements. Plus, a kickstarter doesn't mean they give up ownership of a property. Unless they've given up ownership of TOS, which multiple fan groups have done kickstarters for to fund their projects.

Then there's the fact that CBS doesn't care about negative fan reactions. Star Trek is nothing but negative fan reactions. Every time a new version comes out people get in an uproar over how much they hate it. Been going on since the premiere of TNG.

 

[Bill Peters]

I think even with the New Director they can get the Flim out by 2016...they are still with in the window to shoot and get it released by 2016...

 

[BillJ]

I think even with the New Director they can get the Flim out by 2016...they are still with in the window to shoot and get it released by 2016...

Yeah. They still have two years if they go with a December 2016 release date. Though it will still have to be shot probably by October/November of 2015.

 

[Visitor1982]

I think even with the New Director they can get the Flim out by 2016...they are still with in the window to shoot and get it released by 2016...

Yeah. They still have two years if they go with a December 2016 release date. Though it will still have to be shot probably by October/November of 2015.

They need a full year for post-production.

 

[BillJ]

I think even with the New Director they can get the Flim out by 2016...they are still with in the window to shoot and get it released by 2016...

Yeah. They still have two years if they go with a December 2016 release date. Though it will still have to be shot probably by October/November of 2015.

They need a full year for post-production.

I'm pretty sure that they can handle post in a shorter time frame if need be. But, if they have filming done by October/November 2015, it leaves them a little over a year between the end of filming and release.

 

[F. King Daniel]

The 50th anniversary is a nice marketing opportunity, but not essential. I could wait until 2017 for Star Trek 3.

If the talk of CBS wanting to revive the 'prime' continuity is true (and I'm taking that with a USS Vengeance-sized grain of salt, because it makes no sense whatsoever), it sounds like future TV Trek is doomed. And it hasn't even been announced yet!

 

[Mudd]

They need a full year for post-production.

You do not, in fact, know what they "need;" you don't actually know what they have, either.