ST:TNG Season 3

[apenpaap]

What's bad about Sins of the Father?

I don't really know, but whenever I watch it, I just think it's very boring.

 

[Unicron]

Fair enough. I'm pretty much with the others in regards to SotF - I think TNG did right in showing some of the Klingon politics, and giving some background as to why a concept like family honor is so important in their society. When it's just a bunch of warriors who do nothing but talk about honor (as we often saw with the later pigeonholed Klingons), it's not quite the same.

 

[Eddie Roth]

And Sins of the Father, being the first episode to really delve deep into those politics, did not yet consider these references to honor, or scenes of Klingons drinking blood wine and singing as adequate replacement for an actual story. This one

1. continued an intrguing idea from Season 2, the officer exchange program, thus adding to the show's continuity,

2. revealed a lot of Worf's (until then sketchy) backstory,

3. did not sideline other characters like e.g. the DS9 Klingon episodes which mostly only featured Worf and Dax prominently,

4. tells an engaging story, like a political thriller, with a great twist at the end

 

[Whoa Nellie]

Aye, i agree that S3 certainly stepped up in terms of just about everything. I cant honestly recall a bad episode, however i wouldnt agree that captains holiday was the worst episode, i personally loved that one

In fact, I love both "Sins of the Father" and "Captain's Holiday", great character-building episodes for both Picard and Worf.

I absolutely adore the episode Captain's Holiday. It is marvelous to get to see the relaxed, off-duty Jean-Luc Picard suavely romance the beautiful, lady archaeologist. Wonderfully written by Ira Steven Behr, this episode is an homage to the great romantic films of the 40's. Vash is Bacall to Picard's Bogart. Watch Bogart and Bacall in the classic movie "To Have and Have Not" and then watch "Captain's Holiday." Vash's brazenness complements Picard's more sedate personality perfectly. She is the ideal foil for Picard's straight man. Picard and Vash have a very compelling 'battle of wills' dynamic to their relationship. The characterizations and relationship dynamics between Picard and Vash makes this episode a pure joy to watch.


Some of the gems in this episode:
"Is that an order?" Vash
"Absolutely." Picard
"This isn't a starship, Jean-Luc. I don't follow orders." Vash

"From the moment I met you I knew you were going to be trouble." Picard
"You look like a man who could handle trouble." Vash

"Well, any woman who can beat a Ferengi at his own game bears watching." Picard to Vash about Vash

"I'll never forget that look on your face when you thought I was offering you Jamaharon." Vash
"That was a simple misunderstanding." Picard
"You did seem a little disappointed when I turned you down." Vash

"Still think I'm trouble?" Vash to Picard after he kisses her.
"I'm sure of it." Picard to Vash kissing her again.

"Promise me you will try and stay out of trouble" Picard
"I always try." Vash

". . . about that Horga'hn you requested." Picard
"Yes, sir..." Riker (feigning innocence)
"We need to have a little chat about that." Picard

Warmest Wishes,
Whoa Nellie

 

[Tomalak]

Yeah, Piller really turned that show around and set into high gear. Did a hell of a job with DS9 too. It's such a shame he couldn't score with his movie effort too.

Oh man...i can't wait to start DS9. I haven't seen any episodes.
Will just have to wait till i get there (S4 now). He obviously was the major contributor then of S3. The quality of each program week after week is insane. Such an amazing talent.

Sad to read that Michael passed away. Here are his biographies.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Piller

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0683522/

http://www.startrek.com/startrek/view/news/article/14414.html

He had a short-lived TV show called Legend, which is very fitting.

I don't think it's too hyperbolic to say that he rescued the idea of Star Trek on television. He revitalised TNG, led it though its best years, then set up DS9 and its unmitigated awesomeness. Voyager was a great concept, though his successors defaulted on that concept. As far as I'm concerned, the only blot on his copybook is Insurrection, which was a massive case of "too many cooks...".

He doesn't get the respect he deserves. IMO he is as important as Roddenberry, Coon, Justman, Bennett, Meyer or anyone else in making Star Trek the phenomenon it is today. I was desperately saddened when he died at such a young age.

 

[Surefire]

IMO... Season 3 was BY FAR the best and most consistent season. Everything gets at least an above average score by my opinion.

Here is how I rated the eps:

149: The Ensigns of Command: "B"
150: Evolution:"B"
151: The Survivors: "B-"
152: Who Watches The Watchers?: "B"
153: The Bonding: B
154: The Booby Trap: B
155: The Enemy: A-
156: The Price: B-
157: The Vengeance Factor: B
158: The Defector: A
159: The Hunted: B
160: The High Ground: B+
161: DEJA-Q: B-
162: A Matter of Perspective: B
163: Yesterdays' Enterprise: A+
164: The Offspring: A
165: Sins of the Father: B+
166: Allegiance: B-
167: Captains' Holiday: B-
168: Tinman: B+
169: Hollow Pursuits: B
170: The Most Toys: B
171: Sarek: B+
172: Menage A Troi: B-
173: Transfigurations: B
174: The Best of Both Worlds Pt 1: A+

 

[Hober Mallow]

He had a short-lived TV show called Legend, which is very fitting.

Starring Richard Dean Anderson and John DeLancie.

 

[jefferiestubes8]

Just finished watching 2 episodes on disc 1 of the DVD.
I've never seen these.

'Evolution' & 'The Survivors'.
'Evolution' reminded me of the episodes I did not like on Voyager.

'The Survivors' seemed like an old TOS show with the captain outsmarting the antagonist. I enjoyed this episode a lot.

The picture quality was improved from what I saw of 'Best of Both Worlds' on the Borg fan collective DVD. Sharper, more contrast, better visual effects. This post tells us why.