Spoilers ST Strange New Worlds - Starships and Technology Season Three Discussion

[137th Gebirg]

Why not a Saladin or Hermes class?

Because then, the Franz Joseph estate would likely have sued Paramount into the stone ages while they're still trying to get their boat-legs going post-merger with Skydance.

They've already been playing it a little dangerous, between the use of the two-headed UFP logo in DSC and the Federation-Not-Federation-class Dreadnaught models in PIC. Now is not the time to upset the litigious apple cart, as it were.

 

[B.J.]

What Gebirg said, plus the Archer is a lot smaller than the Saladin/Hermes designs.

 

[Lakenheath 72]

And designed differently, as discussions have shown that the main hull is elliptical and not circular.

 

[Mark_Nguyen]

I'm trying to wrap my head around the tech in the finale, since like the plot, a lot of it seems pretty arbitrary (it's character driven, that's fine, but it was REALLY magical this week when it comes to the tech). All the same:

- You can't tell me two mind-melded people are better than a a computer at keeping in sync. You're literally adding reaction time between the two ships, even if minimized. And the Captain of the Farragut is Vulcan, why not go for her for an even more seamless experience?

- The gang dresses down for a landing party, but why do some of them bother to completely redo their hair color AND length? It's not like they're any more recognizable, and none of the women keep military hairdos anyway. (My guess is that they wanted to let everyone out of their wigs for fun this week).

- So Ley Lines are a thing in Trek now. I suppose this COULD dovetail into assorted ways to get between worlds via space or time or thought. Or portals.

- It's not like it's a REAL thing (or is it?) but the future fiance is wearing the exact cadet uniform styling as Uhura did in SNW S1, the only other time it's seen, suggesting it's still in use for more than a couple decades - close to a Fleet record, perhaps.

Mark

 

[DEWLine]

New map reminded me that Old Illyria is close to Tholian-claimed space...

 

[David cgc]

It's not like it's a REAL thing (or is it?) but the future fiance is wearing the exact cadet uniform styling as Uhura did in SNW S1, the only other time it's seen, suggesting it's still in use for more than a couple decades - close to a Fleet record, perhaps.

I was wondering about that. They didn't mention any dates, but it should've been after 2280 (the episode is set in '61, Pike and Batel's daughter would have to be born after that, plus 20 years or so), so I would've expected it to be the red-dyed TMP jumpsuits from TWOK. Or, since they probably didn't have any lying around (it's been 20 years since the last time they pulled one out of the closet for NEM), future-Pike's monster maroon variant from the season 1 finale with a red turtleneck and trim might've worked to suggest he was a recent or near-graduate. IIRC, the Starfleet Academy computer game did that, with the opening and closing cutscenes showing the officer uniforms (sans rank pins and delta shield) as the cadet dress uniform.

Or we can take it as an indication that it was pulled mostly from Pike and Batel's imaginations and wasn't a real alternate future that could include things they'd have no way of predicting or knowing about. Well, Pike knew what the uniforms looked like in the '80s in general, but it probably wouldn't be top-of-mind in terms of his dream-logic.

 

[Kamen Rider Blade]

3.22 × 10^26 Watts is what was needed to open that StarGate / Portal thingy that the Vezda Life Form used.

Each Phaser Beam was Ball Park close to ½ the Output of Earth's Sun.

2x 23rd Century StarFleet StarShip Phaser Beams in perfect Synchronicity can Generate that kind of power

Jeebus, the power creep introduced into SNW.

For Reference:
The luminosity of the Sun is about 3.86 x 10 ^26 watts. This is the total power radiated out into space by the Sun.

Also, the latency for Synchronized Flying via Vulcan Mind Meld / Telepathic Link is superior than Voice over COMM's links.

 

[Ithekro]

After the whole thing with Control and Section 31 just a few years back I would think Star Fleet would be really against computer control between starships. The M5 computer in a few years was suppose to be a better idea, but it still gave them a whole load of problems.

 

[Kamen Rider Blade]

After the whole thing with Control and Section 31 just a few years back I would think Star Fleet would be really against computer control between starships. The M5 computer in a few years was suppose to be a better idea, but it still gave them a whole load of problems.

This is why you NEVER / EVER should give Computers Full Control.

You always need "Man in the Middle" & have "People be the ones to make the Final Decisions".

Computers should help, do things that are boring & repetitive to us regular people, but it can't be the "be-all / end-all of everything".

That's why the future is (Man + Machine working together), not (Man or Machine, with one taking over the entire operation).

 

[Markonian]

- So Ley Lines are a thing in Trek now. I suppose this COULD dovetail into assorted ways to get between worlds via space or time or thought. Or portals.

I’ve not heard Ley Lines before so I assumed the episode invented them. Gotta look it up. I thought they could be like the subspace highways proposed by Bernd Schneider to explain Enterprise–D jetting across Federation space and NX–01 traveling from Earth to Qo‘noS in „Broken Bow“.

 

[Ronald Held]

In the past, there were warp corridors which allowed faster FTL transits.

 

[Kamen Rider Blade]

I’ve not heard Ley Lines before so I assumed the episode invented them. Gotta look it up. I thought they could be like the subspace highways proposed by Bernd Schneider to explain Enterprise–D jetting across Federation space and NX–01 traveling from Earth to Qo‘noS in „Broken Bow“.

Ley Lines are more usually used in Magic / Fantasy stories than Sci-Fi.

I was surprised to see them uttered in Star Trek of all places.

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In the past, there were warp corridors which allowed faster FTL transits.

Here, I thought they were direct connections between StarGates & Portals that we saw on the planet.

 

[F. King Daniel]

I’ve not heard Ley Lines before so I assumed the episode invented them. Gotta look it up. I thought they could be like the subspace highways proposed by Bernd Schneider to explain Enterprise–D jetting across Federation space and NX–01 traveling from Earth to Qo‘noS in „Broken Bow“.

For whatever it's worth, that concept goes back WAY further to 1980's Star Trek Maps.

 

[Ithekro]

There was generally a fan desire to make things make sense within known factors. Especially warp speeds

 

[publiusr]

I’ve not heard Ley Lines before so I assumed the episode invented them. Gotta look it up. I thought they could be like the subspace highways proposed by Bernd Schneider to explain Enterprise–D jetting across Federation space and NX–01 traveling from Earth to Qo‘noS in „Broken Bow“.

Space lanes are overdue… I’d like to think the Burn either only happened there—or outside.

It would explain Romulans on Earth’s doorstep.

I would like to think you “engaged” with them-street trolley style at TOS warp factor one—a bit past lightspeed.

That actually makes a bit of sense…MOND needs low acceleration environments—so maybe there is a warp equivalent somehow…I think an RPG had a “void” drive…

 

[Ithekro]

I mean, the Bajoran lightships were able to sail to Cardassia Prime from the Bajoran system without any engines at all using currents of sorts.

 

[Mage]

I mean, the Bajoran lightships were able to sail to Cardassia Prime from the Bajoran system without any engines at all using currents of sorts.

And no inertial dampeners.
I mean, I never really care about the fantasy tech in any scifi. It's all made believe. But even I admit that that was weird.

 

[137th Gebirg]

Good point. Anyone who took that trip should have been turned into wall salsa as soon as they hit the slipstream, or whatever it was.

 

[Kamen Rider Blade]

Good point. Anyone who took that trip should have been turned into wall salsa as soon as they hit the slipstream, or whatever it was.

They only went to Warp Speed accidentally when the Bajoran LightShip's Sails were hit by Tachyons when they sailed into Tachyon Eddies.

Although lightships were not capable of achieving warp speeds by design, a semi-controlled warp jump was possible if particles that were moving faster than light, for example tachyons, were to collide with the sails. However, because the ship wasn't designed to endure the stress of warp speeds, the sails could be severely damaged as a result, while the hull itself was fortunately sturdy enough to protect the crew. It was thanks to such an uncontrolled warp jump that the ancient Bajorans were able to bypass the Denorios belt and reach the Cardassian system before they crashed on Cardassia Prime.

The naturally-existing tachyon eddies in the Bajoran system helped propel ancient Bajoran lightships to warp velocities, and facilitated Bajoran arrival in the Cardassian system as early as the 16th century.

 

[Mage]

They only went to Warp Speed accidentally when the Bajoran LightShip's Sails were hit by Tachyons when they sailed into Tachyon Eddies.

That wasn't the point. The point is the sudden acceleration without inertial dampeners should have turned them into mush.