Spoilers ST Prodigy - StarShips & Technology Season 1 Discussion

[Kamen Rider Blade]

Given how important Deflector Shields are and how important the main deflector dish is:

The Main Deflector Dish is used for:
- Navigational Deflecting of Interstellar Debris
- Long Range Sensors
- Shield Emitters
- Offensive Particle Beam Emitters

Having multiple Deflector Dishes on a vessel might prove advantageous in terms of ship wide redundancy.

Deflector shields operated by creating a layer, or layers, of energetic distortion containing a high concentration of gravitons around the object to be protected. On starships, the shield contained six sections, forward, starboard, port, aft, dorsal, and ventral. (Star Trek Nemesis) Shield energies could be emitted from a localized antenna or "dish", such as a ship's navigational deflector, or from a network of "grid" emitters laid out on the object's surface, such as a starship's hull. Since at least the 23rd century, deflector shields were essential equipment on starships.

Neither matter nor highly concentrated energy could normally penetrate a shield. When shields were "up," or energized at a high level, most matter or energy that came into contact with the shields was harmlessly deflected away. This was important in starship combat, as shields were essential for hull protection. When the shields were up, only minor hull damage would be expected during combat. In the 23rd and 24th century, without deflector shields weapons were capable of causing catastrophic damage to starship hulls almost immediately. (Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan; Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country; Star Trek Generations)

This is why I think "Multi-Layer Shields" will EVENTUALLY become a thing in the ST: Universe.

The lines/crevices in the Hull hide the shield emitters that will be used to create a conformal surface hugging skin layer type of shield as seen in ST:Nemesis on the Enterprise-E.

While the outter Ellipsoid/Ovoid/Bubble shape shields will be created by the Main Deflector Dish.

This will force enemies to face a tougher StarShip that can quickly recharge one layer of shields while other shields are up and protecting the vessel.

And when all the multi-layer shielding is up, barely any particles will get through to the ablative armored hull layers.

You can even add in floating remote Drone Shields that can add in another layer of shields around the vessel if you wanted to.

Shields on a Nova-class starship could be fully recharged after charging the shield emitters for 45 seconds. This task required the shields to be dropped. (VOY: "Equinox")

Part of the new strategy will be having multiple layers of shields and taking one layer down to quickly recharge them in ~ 1 minute and letting another layer of shields handle defense.

Look at the Scimitar.
One Reman Warbird with Primary & Secondary Shields, Perfect Cloak, gave the Sovereign & 2x Valdore Class Ships ALOT of trouble, it would've won too if it was run by a more competent Captain without personal issues related to the Captain of the Enterprise-E and a 1st Officer that got "Psychic Mind Rapey" with Deanna Troi which caused her to use that lingering psychic connection to locate the cloaked vessel.

That's the advantage of Multi-Layer Shielding =D.

Tough-ness beyond regular measure of a single layer of shields, and nice long space battles that last as long as Iron-Man Pro Wrestling matches between similarly stated & skilled Wrestlers with lots of ebbs, flows, & close counts in terms of falls.

 

[Mark_Nguyen]

New character posters show what looks like the interior of the Protostar in some new details:

https://trekmovie.com/2021/09/26/check-out-new-star-trek-prodigy-character-posters/

- Jankom Pog is probably posing in front of the ship's warp core, which looks very messy overall. Would this core connect directly to, or be part of that deployable engine / nacelle?

- Zero, Murph and Rok-Tahk might be in the auxiliary craft bay, whose door looks to open at the front of the secondary hull and is probably where that wheeled rover it kept.

- Holo-Janeway is smirking in front of the LONGEST SET OF STAIRS EVER SEEN ON A STARSHIP except maybe the Scimitar. Has no one heard of a turbolift before?!

Mark

 

[fireproof78]

- Holo-Janeway is smirking in front of the LONGEST SET OF STAIRS EVER SEEN ON A STARSHIP except maybe the Scimitar. Has no one heard of a turbolift before?!

For that short space? O_o

It's not like we don't see ladders, or alternative accesses to spaces. I don't see the issue.

 

[Kamen Rider Blade]

- Jankom Pog is probably posing in front of the ship's warp core, which looks very messy overall. Would this core connect directly to, or be part of that deployable engine / nacelle?

It looks like the deployable Warp Nacelle stowed away inside, it doesn't look like the Warp Core to me.

- Zero, Murph and Rok-Tahk might be in the auxiliary craft bay, whose door looks to open at the front of the secondary hull and is probably where that wheeled rover it kept.

I concur. they look like they're on the lower bay.

- Holo-Janeway is smirking in front of the LONGEST SET OF STAIRS EVER SEEN ON A STARSHIP except maybe the Scimitar. Has no one heard of a turbolift before?!

I think that's a optical illusion, the stairs are going from a upper deck, down to the catwalk on the sides where holo janeway is standing on, which is above the Shuttle Bay.

 

[Mark_Nguyen]

For that short space? O_o

It's not like we don't see ladders, or alternative accesses to spaces. I don't see the issue.

The Defiant had a turbolift and had VERY LONG chat sessions in it too, for a ship no more than four-to-six decks tall (depending on who you asked)...

I'm not saying I have an issue, but I *am* saying that a full set of stairs on ANY starship is a rare thing. IRL, these things take a lot of set space and look relatively unique, so I'm not surprised they never really had them or a gangway on any RL Trek; but here there's no such limitation. This stairwell is a full TWENTY STEPS up, and the relatively comfortable North American human home stairwells of today are usually 14-16 steps from one level to the next. My office was also twenty steps from one floor to the next in the emergency stairwell. I'm not sure if one can intuit deck heights from this, though.

Mark

 

[fireproof78]

The Defiant had a turbolift and had VERY LONG chat sessions in it too, for a ship no more than four-to-six decks tall (depending on who you asked)...

I'm not saying I have an issue, but I *am* saying that a full set of stairs on ANY starship is a rare thing. IRL, these things take a lot of set space and look relatively unique, so I'm not surprised they never really had them or a gangway on any RL Trek; but here there's no such limitation. This stairwell is a full TWENTY STEPS up, and the relatively comfortable North American human home stairwells of today are usually 14-16 steps from one level to the next. My office was also twenty steps from one floor to the next in the emergency stairwell. I'm not sure if one can intuit deck heights from this, though.

Mark

The Protostar appears to be a very unique creation in terms of Starfleet design. Also, those steps do not appear to be a standard height for the household so the amount might just be due to that decreased size of the riser.

 

[Timo]

This in turn due to the decreased size of Janeway's feet. Although her legs are incredible! And everybody else is wearing boots that sure won't fit those stairs.

Timo Saloniemi

 

[Tim Thomason]

After Voyager returned home, or sent over her first reports from Delta, Starfleet might also well have tried out at least some of the high speed travel / jump techniques Janeway encountered. These backfiring and stranding an experimental ship far from home would be statistically likely, considering Janeway's experiences with said!

Timo Saloniemi

First episode:

Zero: Odd that this ship was completely abandoned.

Gwyn: They must've been scared away by those weird salamander monsters that attacked us. Don't worry, I took care of them with my sword.

 

[Mark_Nguyen]

And so it begins... The fourth new Star Trek show in as many years, and a fourth unique look at Trek through the eyes of a brand new animation medium. Let's take a closer look at 1x01, "Lost and Found".

- We don't see much of that Kazon ship in this episode, but it generally conforms to what we know of the smaller ones we've seen before. It seems to have inherited the aspects of that Romulan "flea" ship from ENT, though. The Kazon himself didn't seem to be dressed per any particular sect we saw in VOY.

- On to the Protostar! We see little of the ship so far except for the bridge. I think we take a brief tour of four, maybe five decks though: The lowest one where they enter the ship, and the rest joined by the big sweeping stairways.

- I love how there are stairways directly connecting the bridge to the lower levels. The door at the rear of the bridge may be an elevator by the way RT uses it.

- There's also a glass floor, showing some machinery of some sort below the forward console. Methinks it will glow when the ships supermegaubertranswarp thing is engaged.

- Zero estimates the ship needs twenty crew at a minimum to run things. Does he mean total, or at any given time. Would that mean that the ship could have a standard three-shirt crew of sixty or more?

- A lot of the latter part of the premiere is preoccupied with getting the shields online, which in turn involves Dal plugging a thing into another thing that seems to hold five of the first things. That's all great and makes for a neat sequence, but wouldn't it make sense for the things to be on the INSIDE of the ship to replace? It doesn't look like they're actual shield emitters. And who knows why four of the things aren't there and don't work as a redundancy. Unless those four things already didn't work?

More to come on a second watch...

Mark

 

[Mike McDevitt]

And so it begins... The fourth new Star Trek show in as many years, and a fourth unique look at Trek through the eyes of a brand new animation medium. Let's take a closer look at 1x01, "Lost and Found".

- We don't see much of that Kazon ship in this episode, but it generally conforms to what we know of the smaller ones we've seen before. It seems to have inherited the aspects of that Romulan "flea" ship from ENT, though. The Kazon himself didn't seem to be dressed per any particular sect we saw in VOY.

- On to the Protostar! We see little of the ship so far except for the bridge. I think we take a brief tour of four, maybe five decks though: The lowest one where they enter the ship, and the rest joined by the big sweeping stairways.

- I love how there are stairways directly connecting the bridge to the lower levels. The door at the rear of the bridge may be an elevator by the way RT uses it.

- There's also a glass floor, showing some machinery of some sort below the forward console. Methinks it will glow when the ships supermegaubertranswarp thing is engaged.

- Zero estimates the ship needs twenty crew at a minimum to run things. Does he mean total, or at any given time. Would that mean that the ship could have a standard three-shirt crew of sixty or more?

- A lot of the latter part of the premiere is preoccupied with getting the shields online, which in turn involves Dal plugging a thing into another thing that seems to hold five of the first things. That's all great and makes for a neat sequence, but wouldn't it make sense for the things to be on the INSIDE of the ship to replace? It doesn't look like they're actual shield emitters. And who knows why four of the things aren't there and don't work as a redundancy. Unless those four things already didn't work?

More to come on a second watch...

Mark

Can this be far enough in the future for Kazon to have incorporated Romulan designs? Or if it IS "the present", they possibly learned these things from Seska or Jonas?

Protostar is very pretty indeed, and the compactness and stairwells remind me of the Archer class Sagittarius, in a good way.

Zero makes the crew estimate before encountering Holo-Janeway, would they revise it downward now that it seems like a handful, mainly Zero, can make with the necessary zoom-zoom and boom-boom?

If Protostar ever had 20 to 60+ crew aboard, where are they now?

5 jars of lightning bugs are better than 4 jars of lightning bugs. That's just science.

Fun stuff!

 

[shapeshifter]

The ship! I must have the ship!

 

[Kamen Rider Blade]

I swear, the USS ProtoStar is the perfect size for a small crew < 100 crew members.

Kind of like the NX-01 USS Enterprise.

But set in the 24th century, with no crew, and Children commandeering the vessel and figuring out how to make it work.

I hope the USS ProtoStar has "The Doctor" as the EMH.

That would be fun if they copied him on board the ship.

 

[Mike McDevitt]

If Dal's "Window of Dreams" is a reference to the Lokirrim phenomenon of the same name in VOY's "Body and Soul", the prison/mine may be both "pretty close" to the Beta Quadrant and to the Galactic Core. The Kazon could be farther from home than Jankom Pog.

 

[David cgc]

Can this be far enough in the future for Kazon to have incorporated Romulan designs? Or if it IS "the present", they possibly learned these things from Seska or Jonas?

The holo-drone was a reuse of a Delta Quadrant ship.

 

[ProwlAlpha]

In the next episode, we get stylized versions of the Constitution, Intrepid, Crossfield, Defiant, NX, and Galaxy classes in Janeway's presentation.

 

[Ronald Held]

Will the Protostar be released by Eaglemoss?

 

[Mark_Nguyen]

Source for those other ship graphics? I'm guessing somewhere a Canadian can't easily see.

Pausing all the LCARS is fun. For starters, there are holographic LCARS on this ship, which might be a little out of sync with what we've seen in Lower Decks given they're roughly the same timeline. Then again, the interfaces in use MIGHT be at the discretion of a grumpy Captain.

Anyway, a close up look shows that the Protostar has "pulse cannons". Defiant-style fantasies aside, one wonders where all these weapons are mounted. The shots of her phasers in action show that the big dark line atop the primary hull is where the standard phasers are kept, but there's at least one shot emerging from a random point up there too. VFX cockamamie at work, to be sure. :P There are a couple notches where "pulse cannons" or torpedoes could be fired, but time will tell.

And the torpedoes are "Standard", "Type-6", "Mark IV" (make up your mind!), but the shape we see is not the TNG and TOS movie era tubes we're familiar with. There's a squared-off end, and there might be an outer shell containing a more streamlined interior. Other stats seem to have been copied out of one of Sternbach's tech manuals.

Mark

 

[valkyrie013]

And seems to be "transwarp" on the console too... Hmm

Rather QSD than transwarp. But hey..

 

[Mark_Nguyen]

Ah, here we go, at 28:00:

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Got a bunch of shuttles in there too. It all feels like it follows on the art direction from the TNG-TM, actually. Love that.

"Transwarp" has been a catch-all for years, for me. Quantum Slipstream is arguably just one form of "faster than standard warp", if not technically, then in a storytelling sense. Anyway, glad to hear it's making a comeback!

Mark

 

[Mike McDevitt]

The phrase “Deep Core mining” and the length of the Protostar’s daring escape makes it seem like the ship was buried pretty deep. Did it beam in there? Make a Mycelial Network hop? If it plowed into the planet at ludicrous speed, then it is very durable, probably vastly more so than Voyager, or any previous Federation ship, and would have left a crevasse that should have been obvious and maybe not required exploratory mining “for all these years”? Or maybe the kilometers-deep hole it left collapsed behind it?

Does Pog’s “multi-mitt” Go-Go Gadget arm have a replicator built in like Farallon’s Exocomps?

The universal translator does not work on Murf. Perhaps he is too smart?

Surface work on Tars Lamora is for some reason called “The Outer Rim”, maybe because “Conan’s Wheel of Pain” was taken? Gwyn apparently deactivated the cuffs on this wheel of indeterminate purpose. Do the geyers happen predictably or did Gwyn somehow cause those as a distraction?

What prevented the Watcher scorpion wardens from swarming into and all over the Protostar?

Zero wasn’t born with fingers which DOES imply they were born. How is a non-corporeal being born? The Medusan Kollos peripherally caused madness that got the Enterprise lost once- did something similar happen with the Medusan called Zero and the Protostar?

What is a drainage corridor? Why is it huge, well lit, or full of jutting mechanisms?

Is the Protostar shield always a meter or two from the hull? Is it adjustable? Would it have killed or bisected Dal if he’d been standing upright when it came on? Is it sheer luck that it activated between General Octopus T-1000 & Dal without intersecting with either of them? Don’t get me wrong, it looked WAY COOL, but I demand answers to my unreasonable torrent of questions!

It seems that when Rok-Tahk declares “This time… he has help,” her phrase caused Holo Janeway to activate and offer help. But by now, on the bridge, we’ve heard Pog ask Dal: “How are you helping?” and Rok asked Pog: “Uh… a little help?” Our heroes have all been asking and screaming open-ended questions, like “What was that?” and “Can we stop?” and “Where’s my hand?” probably all day. Was H.J. deliberately ignoring them, or was she awakened based on Rok’s proximity to the viewscreen?

“Please state the location of the nearest coffee nebula.”