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ST Picard - Starships and Technology Season One SPOILER Discusssion

- Vashti had its secondhand defence net already in place at the time of the Mars incident. We don't know exactly how long the Romulan settlement had been there by that point, but it stands to reason that for a planetary exodus, not every designated resettlement target could be covered by either Starfleet or the Romulan navy. Odd though that in the flashback the only visible craft were Federation, and no Romulan smaller ships were seen, though we know those assets exist. Presumably the Fenris Rangers were active back then too, as they helped the locals install it.

The dialogue paints the system as an active defense based on killer nodes of some sort. Not what I'd call a "planetary shield", for the purposes of that separate argument. That is, you can fly through if you don't mind getting shot into pieces in the process.

Not much help against phaser bombardment of the surface, then. Unless there's a separate shield component we didn't get to see.

- Picard is super-busy with the evacuation plan, but gets to take three days off to visit Elnor and his Sister Act crew. I'm guessing someone forced him to take a bit of leave.

Makes sense. Although no doubt being busy also involves traveling a lot in and around Romulan space. And we might speculate that doing so is slow going, due to the collapse of infrastructure: you need permits from warlords, or escort, and roundabout routes and whatnot. Perhaps staying put would be mandatory every now and then, and Picard just happens to get stuck with Elnor, hence the two becoming an item, as opposed to the two being an item and Picard thus choosing to stay.

- When Raffi calls Picard with the Bad News, he takes the call privately by pressing a finger to his ear. It's reasonable to assume a man in his 80s would have a hearing aid (implant?), but we don't see it - and his combadge is still attached to his jacket which lies nearby. Incidentally, today's hearing aids can come with bluetooth control from one's phone and can take calls exactly like this.

Picard's old badge would appear to be a super-secret way of contacting Raffi. But quite possibly standard Federation commnets can be trusted with secret messages once the contacting is said and done, and implants might be the standard way to access those nets.

- Picard walks down the stairs as he dematerializes, which is one thing. Another is where is he going? A waiting shuttle? The USS Verity* in orbit? Or some other planet - there is ample evidence these days to suggest interstellar beaming is commonplace by now.

Such as the total lack of mention? In this timeline, Scotty has come up with the theory (or so Spock claims, perhaps solely to bolster the ego of the depressed engineer), but there is no mention of practice. And the Dominion capacity is but a rumor, not really confirmed by "Covenant" where a much shorter beaming to a waiting ship would better fit Dukat's means and lying about it his psych profile. Had the capacity really existed, we probably would have seen it play a role in the war. (So what the heck was Worf rambling about, really?)

*I'm being part sarcastic, I have little confidence his prequel comic starship will ever be mentioned, let alone seen

And in theory, the reporter does imply Picard went directly from the/an Enterprise to the Evacuation Pundit job. Although that may just be the press taking shortcuts for the benefit of the readers.

- La Sirena is first shown in this episode jumping into warp, suggesting they haven't taken a straight line from Earth to Vashti. Most starships are often shown at impulse when an episode kicks off. Did they just finish a stopover adventure? Side quest? Excuse to move the background crates around since the previous episode? Or are they following the "faster than light, no left or right" doctrine from Voyager and changing course only after dropping from warp?

...Getting those letters of transit from the warlords?

Basically every era of Trek is compatible with the idea that warp involves cooldown periods - that is, it's not incompatible with this. We might simply traditionally meet our heroes during the cooldowns, which sort of punctuate the dull passage and thus perhaps serve as conversation pieces, resulting in plot-relevant dialogue.

- We've yet to see what's on the lower deck of the ship since last week, but twice now we've seen people come up from there. I'm sure we will, all these crew quarters and holodeck (holosuite?) have to be somewhere. Maybe the sickbay is on this main deck, the EMH walked onto the scene last week from an off-set room (that may not fit into the CG model of the ship, but I digress). No lifts though, which is a thing.

The horizontally elongated, runabout-style portholes are chiefly found on the lower deck in the exterior view. Only two decks are really accounted for, though.

- Agnes was "going to watch a holo" when she discovered that the ship's memory only had Klingon Opera available. A holo... movie? Holonovel a la Voyager? Or have movies made a resurgence in the past couple decades?

DSC gave us a spectrum of messaging means. Perhaps something similar to the message from Culber that Stamets was watching and we were eavesdropping on, from an odd and distorted angle? That'd be "watching" all right, as opposed to the more interactive holotainment we usually got in TNG, DS9 and VOY.

- Is at least one of the Romulan ship designs swarming the Cube a variable wing design? Or are we looking at the same one in different wing configurations?

I'm sorta seeing the former. There's an economy of designs so far: instead of numerous kitbashes, we could well be getting variable geometry and lots of re-skinning.

- It's great that a Romulan defence net allows transport windows in nice round increments of terran time units.

Well, it is round. No real need to assume 30 minutes sharp, over 27.2 or 31.47 - the heroes aren't involved in split-second countdowns in this respect.

- Did anyone else see the triangular bread the sisters were making and think that it was actually Elven lembas bread?

They just need to properly wrap it in leaves. (Against their thighs like Carmen?)

- The bottle of Romulan Ale seen here is a different shape than the one seen originally in TWOK, but has the same label as in another appearance of the drink in some other episode, according to evidence from TrekCore.

Makes sense that there would be a theme to the bottle (just like there's to wine bottles), but not a single design.

- Narek and Soji go skating in a "ventilation return" corridor. What are they sliding on? They took off their shoes but are still wearing socks. Sliding on ice in one's socks doesn't work, the moisture in the socks increases friction. And if they're slipping around on ventilation grease / goo / whatever, is it their magic space boots that keep them from sliding around?

Good point. I guess future socks are different...

- The former Romulan senator was brought to Vashti aboard the Wallenberg class USS (?) Nightingale. The implication is that this ship is of the class that was being built over Mars, but my read is that everyone brought here was aboard some fleet that Picard managed to scrounge together, and starting the move before the synths attacked. From last week's episode, it did seem that Picard was keelhauled pretty quickly after the attack. Or, as I suggested previously, the exodus was well underway with new ships as they were being completed. Either way, I wonder if the ships of the exodus fleet had names already assigned to other Starfleet ships, as "Nightingale" would be a pretty early target name to assign to a ship, IMO. "Captain" Kim's command aside.

Given that the tugs had no names painted on, but did have the "Tug ????/??" pennants, I'd not immediately consider the Nightingale one of those. And indeed the tugs might have been unrelated to the evacuation fleet except as the regular means by which Utopia Planitia got raw materials from external sources, for building whatever it would be building at given times.

But if Starfleet did have evacuation assets before Romulus blew, it's pretty natural for them to have possessed a (not necessarily particularly numerous) Wallenberg class, featuring a USS Nightingale...

- The Romulan BoP is seen firing both beam and pulse weapons, the latter of which is likely a torpedo. No sign of the classic plasma weapon, though.

Remarkably, this is the first time in Trek that the Romulan design (or any Romulan design) is actually called a Bird of Prey...

- Said BoP is disabled when La Sirena fires on the shields on the ship's starboard pylon, and then Seven's fire neatly cuts through the hole made and then the pylon itself. Smart and nonlethal.

...Despite obviously cutting through whatever is feeding warp power to the nacelle. Unless, say, it's a self-contained unit...

Also, Seven cuts through a structure that has a brightly glowing trailing edge. I wonder what that was, since the traditional impulse engines appear to be at their traditional spot at the stern of the main hull.

- What does this say for the state of non-Starfleet weaponry? The BoP is an antique, but between La Sirena and Seven's little ship, they were able to take care of things much more swiftly than Kirk and his crew did some 130+ years prior.

Then again, Kirk never got a chance to aim, much less hit.

Then again again, no shields were ever mentioned in connection with Kirk's old fight.

Timo Saloniemi
 
That is, you can fly through if you don't mind getting shot into pieces in the process.
You can only fly through once you give them the correct access code and they open up a corridor for you to pass through which is randomly selected, you have 1 minute to travel through. Otherwise you will be subjected to Kill Fire.
 
Exactly. So no direct evidence of shielding in the Trek sense, physically blocking transit - just of sentinels that try to gun you down if you refuse to stop.

"A shield of orbital killer drones" is what they call it, FWIW. Way denser than anything we saw in DS9 (or failed to see in the other spinoffs that mentioned orbital defenses). I wonder why Earth or Mars didn't have one in evidence, if it's so visually in-your-face...

Timo Saloniemi
 
I'm not sure. Seven's ship (corsair?) is disabled and explodes when it definitely crashes against a shield wall, with parts bouncing along it after impact. Unless the grid includes millions of small, shielded drones which effectively create a surface?

It's also worth noting that the grid itself iS seen firing, but never clearly.When seven first appears on the scene, she actually fires at a point on the grid that had just fired on La Sirena.

Mark
 
True, it seems to be both: killer nodes shooting deadly beams and connected to each other by beams, too, and then shield surfaces between those. That's a lot of machinery in orbit. And yes, Freecloud seems to have a bit of a green hue above the atmosphere as well. Might be green skies is a price planets have to pay for safety and security. Or then frontier places like these keep their defense grids on or at least idled all the time, while Mars and Earth can afford to shut down the glowing bits until really needed.

Timo Saloniemi
 
Starting my technical rewatch of 105 and stopped early to dissect (pun intended) the Icheb-Seven scene. Aside from being really emotionally powerful, I got looking closely at some Borg-related notes:

- Icheb was a science officer on the USS Coleman, and yet was wearing red when he was captured. OTOH, he was "doing recon" for the Fenris Rangers when he was caught, so perhaps he was undercover? Otherwise, why would he be wearing a uniform while on leave and working for a non-Starfleet organization, and wouldn't Starfleet have a problem with that regardless?

- Icheb is missing his cortical node. It's in Seven now (per VOY "Imperfection") and probably takes the cake as the most significant, insignificant easter egg of the series so far. Ironically enough, said node walks in the door just as the implant pirate starts up her drill, and hovers it right over where the little Borg door for said node would be.

- Icheb had both eyes when he was rescued from the Collective, and yet here his left eye is an implant or a replacement containing some Borg tech. It's been surmised that he still had both his natural eyes and that one would have been replaced soon enough before his original cube got all whatevered... It's also been noted that Borg assimilation tech tends to work from the inside out once a subject is infected with nanites, and the left eye is pulled out and replaced with a big implant later; so his left eye may still be natural but backed up with some Borg tech in preparation for the eventual replacement, or it could have been an implant from the get go.

- Also, Icheb had no other visible Borg implants on his face - at first I thought this was a goof (or that he'd had them removed), but the little thingy above his left eye was seen in the medical pan that the lackey tosses his eye into. Furthermore, his left eyebrow is shaved where the doodad was sitting (in Voyager it was inconsistently on top of his eyebrow or not), and there's a bloody outline from where it would have been. Great little detail!

- OTOH, Icheb had a couple patches of scarred skin where other implants would have been, notably around his left temple, and that was absent. Guess some things can be cosmetically fixed, though it always made me wonder why all of Voyager's Borglings had similar scars while Seven's non-implant skin was always so smooth and blemish-free. ;)

- Bonus: Seven bursts onto the scene shooting what might be the same pistol type that the Starfleet flashback security guys were wielding on Mars a couple episodes back, which is in the same time frame. We haven't talked about Starfleet small arms much yet, but at least in the flashback we saw that by the mid 2380s they had finally seen the light and started using pistols like everyone else. I regret the loss of less typically-weaponey phasers, but truth be told the TNG-era phasers were always an ergonomic nightmare, auto-targeting explanation conceits or not. By "Nemesis" they were more pistol-like, but smaller to the point that they were getting tough to be seen from the money angles when being fired. This does probably go against what we've seen in VOY "Endgame", despite it being an aborted timeline.

Mark
 
Good point about Icheb's uniform in an otherwise carefully thought out scene. The color need not be an issue: Wesley's much-sciencey adversaries from "Pen Pals" were split between blue and mustard, say. But the very fact that he'd don the uniform while on leave and under employ of a competing organization... Then again, the audacity of sneaking in under the pretense of being Starfleet! It sounds more like Icheb actually deserted while on leave, and thus didn't worry much about disciplinary action.

The clumsy "pistols" could be considered submachine guns in a setup where the lighter sidearms (not relevant to the story) still are dustbusters or crickets... Jean-Luc "Action" Picard would obviously have H&K MP5s stashed under his tables and pillows, but Jean-Luc "Diplomat" Picard might theoretically also do concealed-carry with one of 'em TNG Derringers or Berettas.

Timo Saloniemi
 
The pistols in Chateau Picard, or at least the one under the desk, had a lovely brown, mottled texture on the grip - not at all Starfleet issue IMO. On the other hand, the twin rifles with which Seven goes all John Woo can definitely be seen as evolutionary upgrades to the First Contact series of rifles; and her hero pistol (meaning that it's lit and really detailed) look more like cousins of the rifle than of the dust/cricket series, so I'm guessing it's more from that collection as well. No reason that they can't all exist concurrently, though.

One thing in common with most of the hand weapons seen thus far is the presence of a guard around the front of the grip, like the TNG-era Romulan pistols. I'm guessing this show's prop designer sees that guard as a catch-all "futuristic weapon" feature. This episode features non-Starfleet chrome-plated pistols without a guard, but the glowing red lights certainly won't have anyone mistaking it's a contemporary weapon. Rios similarly has a grey weapon which almost looks inspired by the ENT phase pistols.

Mark
 
I'm just glad that they went back to bolt firing for the Small Arms for the StarFleet side.

Standing there firing beams for that few seconds is such a liability IMO.
 
- OTOH, Icheb had a couple patches of scarred skin where other implants would have been, notably around his left temple, and that was absent. Guess some things can be cosmetically fixed, though it always made me wonder why all of Voyager's Borglings had similar scars while Seven's non-implant skin was always so smooth and blemish-free. ;)
Given that dermal regenerators are usually shown to leave blemish-free skin, it's the fact that they ever had scars which is really the oddity, rather than Seven not having scars.
 
Given that dermal regenerators are usually shown to leave blemish-free skin, it's the fact that they ever had scars which is really the oddity, rather than Seven not having scars.
Probably, its the residual borg nanites fighting against the healing process to maintain its missing implants.
 
What was Icheb's final rank, did anyone count the pips?

My thought as to him wearing red but being the "Science Officer" on the Coleman is that he might actually have been the XO if the Coleman was a science vessel.

Hmm, Memory Alpha has him as a Lieutenant, but that wouldn't preclude XO on a small science ship (and do we really think Bjayzl's organization is powerful enough to mess with anything above a small Starfleet vessel in an ambush? Even if they are stealthy enough to get away without Starfleet reprisal).
 
Given that dermal regenerators are usually shown to leave blemish-free skin, it's the fact that they ever had scars which is really the oddity, rather than Seven not having scars.

Seven was human. Icheb's species was from the Delta Quadrant, so Federation dermal regeneration might be less effective as it has no baseline info on their species.
 
What was Icheb's final rank, did anyone count the pips?

My thought as to him wearing red but being the "Science Officer" on the Coleman is that he might actually have been the XO if the Coleman was a science vessel.

Hmm, Memory Alpha has him as a Lieutenant, but that wouldn't preclude XO on a small science ship (and do we really think Bjayzl's organization is powerful enough to mess with anything above a small Starfleet vessel in an ambush? Even if they are stealthy enough to get away without Starfleet reprisal).

Yeah, all that makes sense to me (either that, or he could have been an engineer on the ship.) I somehow doubt the Coleman was a Sovereign class vessel.
 
It's worthwhile to point out that the older Icheb from "Shattered" wore a red uniform; and it was impossible to tell if in that future (2394 per Memory Alpha) that particular possible Voyager was still lost in the DQ or not.

It's entirely possible that this Icheb was wearing two different hats on a smaller ship. He was wearing two full pips, though not referred to as anything but a "young science officer".

Mark
 
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The Enterprise-D CGI Model looks somehow...wrong to me. It´s lit far to dark, you can barely see the hull itself. And don´t you think that the main deflectors shape is off?

I've heard a couple of folks here state that there's something wrong with the shape of the E-D. But how could that be? It's not as if there would exist a mechanism by which the Makers could get it wrong. The dimensions of the thing are known - the CGI artist isn't drawing freeform art after watching a TNG episode.

OTOH, 10-Fwd windows could well be wrong.

I feel like it's boxier somehow, not necessarily a ground up redesign but there seem to be some straighter lines where the original had curves, and the deflector definitely feels different.

I've been wondering if I'd imagined it. I'm glad to see I'm not the only one who saw it. :)
 
It's worthwhile to point out that the older Icheb from "Shattered" wore a red uniform; and it was impossible to tell if in that future (2394 per Memory Alpha) that particular possible Voyager was still lost in the DQ or not.
If they had returned, they'd have newer uniforms
 
I'm thinking the Coleman was not unlike the Grissom or Equinox - a small science ship.

Equinox had a lieutenant as XO, although it's possible a more senior officer originally had the role and was killed, allowing Burke to step up. He's also called "commander" by Janeway, confusingly.

It's not impossible that Saavik was the Grissom's XO. She was wearing white trim rather than grey. IIRC Bob Fletcher intended that simply to mean she was head of the science department, and I believe she has a grey slash on her sleeve. I don't think we see anyone with a higher rank, aside from Esteban. There's also the TOS/TMP assumption that science officer and XO go together - Spock, Decker/Sonak and Chekov.

Shattered implies they were still in the Delta Quadrant, and Icheb may well be Voyager's XO by that time. Possibly under Captain Kim? It always struck me as odd that Janeway made no planning for the 70 year voyage. The remaining crew would have been geriatric by the time they made it home, so they needed to start having babies!
 
Well, that would mean giving up, sort of. If a generations-long return really were accepted, why not accept settlement somewhere along the route instead? Janeway wanted her crew to get home; her ship be damned...

(Perhaps Burke's predecessor wasn't the casualty on the Equinox - perhaps his one dark collar pip was? They'd never find it until they got the lights repaired!)

Timo Saloniemi
 
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