ST Phase 2: MIND-SIFTER

[Karzak]

And my theory is TrekMovie is a fanboy blog passing itself off badly as actual journalism, so it's not really altogether surprising that they let Exeter slipe through their fingers like that.

It's a shame really. "The Tressaurian Intersection" certainly deserved and likely would have benefited greatly from the attention.

My theory on that is that they were so invested in the idea that TTI was The ST Fan Film World's 'Unfinished Symphony' that they didn't want it finished.

Let me assure you that there were plenty of us who are VERY GRATEFUL it was finished.

You keep making these posts that we should be grateful for fan films, as if they are some kind of blessing from on high and I find it somewhat puzzling, honestly.

I certainly APPRECIATE them and I absolutely ENJOY them too, but none of them are doing anything like expanding equal rights to everyone, or performing organ transplants, blood transfusions, curing disease, feeding the hungry or providing shelter to orphans, stray pets or the homeless.

People are making these films for themselves first, and sharing them with us. Some of them are getting the fans to pay the bill. That's fine. But it's not something we should be genuflecting to.

 

[Barbreader]

And my theory is TrekMovie is a fanboy blog passing itself off badly as actual journalism, so it's not really altogether surprising that they let Exeter slipe [sic] through their fingers like that.

It's a shame really. "The Tressaurian Intersection" certainly deserved and likely would have benefited greatly from the attention.

My theory on that is that they were so invested in the idea that TTI was The ST Fan Film World's 'Unfinished Symphony' that they didn't want it finished.

Let me assure you that there were plenty of us who are VERY GRATEFUL it was finished.

You keep making these posts that we should be grateful for fan films, as if they are some kind of blessing from on high and I find it somewhat puzzling, honestly.

I certainly APPRECIATE them and I absolutely ENJOY them too, but none of them are doing anything like expanding equal rights to everyone, or performing organ transplants, blood transfusions, curing disease, feeding the hungry or providing shelter to orphans, stray pets or the homeless.

People are making these films for themselves first, and sharing them with us. Some of them are getting the fans to pay the bill. That's fine. But it's not something we should be genuflecting to.

I never told you to be grateful. Clearly, you are not. Others are.

It's true that Luke Sutton didn't make Star Trek: Unity(England) and Nick Cook didn't make Star Trek: Intrepid(Scotland) to get me through my cancer preparation, surgery, post-operative treatment, and recovery, but viewing these series still helped me. It's true that Star Trek: Outpost didn't create their audio series to help with my physical therapy for my disabled shoulder, but it does. It's true that NONE of these groups does this FOR ME. They still help me. Not one of them has felt the need to explain to me why I am an undeserving wretch unworthy of viewing their work. To the contrary, they have been beyond polite when I expressed my enjoyment. Would that people I have helped had been half as gracious.

I created Star Trek Reviewed because I could not see any reason every single person who wanted to watch Star Trek Fan Films and Fan audios shows should have to hunt for them individually, as if no one had done it before. Over 400,000 pageviews and over 100,000 individual visitors later, it's clear I wasn't the only person trying to find and enjoy these works.

I know that I am not the only person who is grateful for these films and audio shows because I get thanked so often for merely listing them.

I'm sure you aren't the only viewer who isn't grateful.

My original post was much longer. It addressed your list of things you thought we should be grateful for. However, as it is, this discussion is off-topic for this thread. I edited down to its Star Trek Fan Film elements.

 

[Timewalker]

And my theory is TrekMovie is a fanboy blog passing itself off badly as actual journalism, so it's not really altogether surprising that they let Exeter slipe through their fingers like that.

It's a shame really. "The Tressaurian Intersection" certainly deserved and likely would have benefited greatly from the attention.

My theory on that is that they were so invested in the idea that TTI was The ST Fan Film World's 'Unfinished Symphony' that they didn't want it finished.

Let me assure you that there were plenty of us who are VERY GRATEFUL it was finished.

You keep making these posts that we should be grateful for fan films, as if they are some kind of blessing from on high and I find it somewhat puzzling, honestly.

I certainly APPRECIATE them and I absolutely ENJOY them too, but none of them are doing anything like expanding equal rights to everyone, or performing organ transplants, blood transfusions, curing disease, feeding the hungry or providing shelter to orphans, stray pets or the homeless.

People are making these films for themselves first, and sharing them with us. Some of them are getting the fans to pay the bill. That's fine. But it's not something we should be genuflecting to.

Gratitude =/= genuflecting.

Barbreader, I certainly appreciate your website, and so do the folks I've passed the link along to.

 

[Mudd]

So, we're only supposed to feel gratitude for enormous blessings from on high?

I'm generally grateful for a warm croissant in the morning. Seems harmless.

I'm also grateful to live in a world where people are so creative and eager to share it...even when it doesn't interest me personally.

 

[Mudd]

We are lucky to have Phony Hilton on our team.

Well, a real Phony Hilton is better than a phony Jenny DeSalle.

 

[Barbreader]

Gratitude =/= genuflecting.

Barbreader, I certainly appreciate your website, and so do the folks I've passed the link along to.

Thank you for passing information about it along. Seeing the user numbers move up is what keeps me working on it.

 

[mybandy]

Who else thinks Jeff Bond is the best McCoy since De Kelley?

He nailed it!!

 

[BillJ]

Who else thinks Jeff Bond is the best McCoy since De Kelley?

He nailed it!!

Maybe if Karl Urban had never played the character.

 

[Mudd]

Who else thinks Jeff Bond is the best McCoy since De Kelley?

He nailed it!!

Maybe if Karl Urban had never played the character.

Yep.

 

[Karzak]

Karl Urban is the best professional actor to portray McCoy, yes. But insofar as the fan films are concerned, I thought Jeff Bond was the best of the four actors in the fan films we've seen (so far) take on the role.

 

[DCR]

Karl Urban is the best professional actor to portray McCoy, yes. But insofar as the fan films are concerned, I thought Jeff Bond was the best of the four actors in the fan films we've seen (so far) take on the role.

I'd agree with that. Of course, I'd also argue that Karl Urban is by far the best of the Abrams cast at capturing his character, too.

 

[PonyHorton]

I try to avoid Phony Hiltons wherever possible. I prefer Fawlty Towers. They add lots of Basil to the food.

 

[Lapis Exilis]

Karl Urban is the best professional actor to portray McCoy, yes. But insofar as the fan films are concerned, I thought Jeff Bond was the best of the four actors in the fan films we've seen (so far) take on the role.

I've just gotten into fan films, thanks specifically to Mindsifter, which I thought was excellently done. I have since seen several others and must agree about Jeff Bond - a really wonderful McCoy, a character who can get passed over in fandom, but who I think is essential to Trek.

I went on a deeper search for fan film productions last night and want to mention my surprise and disappointment with the sexualized Trek girl pics on every episode page of the New Voyages/ Phase II website. And this after there was such a thoughtful handling of the role of women in Mindsifter. They seem like entirely random pandering and really weirdly out of step with the work. If I had found that before watching - I never would have watched since they send a very different message than what is contained in the episodes. They make me somewhat reluctant to watch more.

 

[GSchnitzer]

Karl Urban is the best professional actor to portray McCoy, yes. But insofar as the fan films are concerned, I thought Jeff Bond was the best of the four actors in the fan films we've seen (so far) take on the role.

I've just gotten into fan films, thanks specifically to Mindsifter, which I thought was excellently done. I have since seen several others and must agree about Jeff Bond - a really wonderful McCoy, a character who can get passed over in fandom, but who I think is essential to Trek.

I went on a deeper search for fan film productions last night and want to mention my surprise and disappointment with the sexualized Trek girl pics on every episode page of the New Voyages/ Phase II website. And this after there was such a thoughtful handling of the role of women in Mindsifter. They seem like entirely random pandering and really weirdly out of step with the work. If I had found that before watching - I never would have watched since they send a very different message than what is contained in the episodes. They make me somewhat reluctant to watch more.

Hey--

Can you give me links to some of the offending web pages with the sexualities Trek girls?

 

[Maurice]

Can you give me links to some of the offending web pages with the sexualities Trek girls?

Typo there.

I think she means pages like this (link).

 

[CorporalCaptain]

Can you give me links to some of the offending web pages with the sexualities Trek girls?

Typo there.

I think she means pages like this (link).

Is Lapis Exilis referring to what's designated as advertisement on that page?

 

[Barbreader]

Karl Urban is the best professional actor to portray McCoy, yes. But insofar as the fan films are concerned, I thought Jeff Bond was the best of the four actors in the fan films we've seen (so far) take on the role.

I've just gotten into fan films, thanks specifically to Mindsifter, which I thought was excellently done. I have since seen several others and must agree about Jeff Bond - a really wonderful McCoy, a character who can get passed over in fandom, but who I think is essential to Trek.

I went on a deeper search for fan film productions last night and want to mention my surprise and disappointment with the sexualized Trek girl pics on every episode page of the New Voyages/ Phase II website. And this after there was such a thoughtful handling of the role of women in Mindsifter. They seem like entirely random pandering and really weirdly out of step with the work. If I had found that before watching - I never would have watched since they send a very different message than what is contained in the episodes. They make me somewhat reluctant to watch more.

If you are talking about the square pictures on the right middle of the page, those are ads. They are paying for your downloads and bandwidth. Ads will be ads.

This is not the primary New Voyages website, which is down and being renovated at the moment. However, this website, run out of Germany has been well organized and very reliable for those seeking to view or download these films.

 

[Lapis Exilis]

This: http://www.startrekphase2.de/en/4x09_mindsifter.php

which I assume is German with its .de.

Ads may be ads, but ads that consist of nothing but photoshopped pictures of breast-enhanced women in Star Trek uniforms look like they were created by the same people making the films and put on the page on purpose. Had you not pointed out that it was an ad I would not have known the difference, and a difference that makes no difference is no difference, to borrow a phrase. It affects the way the material is perceived, at least for this viewer. I don't expect anyone to change anything because of my perception, but it just seems a shame when the material is much more enlightened than those pictures make it appear.

 

[GSchnitzer]

This: http://www.startrekphase2.de/en/4x09_mindsifter.php

which I assume is German with its .de.

Ads may be ads, but ads that consist of nothing but photoshopped pictures of breast-enhanced women in Star Trek uniforms look like they were created by the same people making the films and put on the page on purpose. Had you not pointed out that it was an ad I would not have known the difference, and a difference that makes no difference is no difference, to borrow a phrase. It affects the way the material is perceived, at least for this viewer. I don't expect anyone to change anything because of my perception, but it just seems a shame when the material is much more enlightened than those pictures make it appear.

Yes, while our own, main US website is down for a while during migration to a new server, the German site is gracious enough to pick up some of our web traffic.

Yes, the German site defrays some of the costs of operating its website by running web advertisements--including those that run those provocative-looking women. As Barb said, ads, are ads. I understand that the ads reflect on us. I'll draw it to the German website's attention. Perhaps they are interested in making changes.

 

[startrekphase2]

I run the startrekphase2.de website and I have just been made aware of this thread.

Those pictures come from an advertising agency to be used on our site to advertise a company that gives guys tips on how to be more successful dating girls. They specifically requested to be shown on our website as they probably think that some Star Trek fans are having difficulty finding a girl :-)

They pay reasonably well and the pictures are kept neutral and clearly marked as an advertisement to avoid confusion with the content of the website.

These adverts replaced previous adverts that had big download buttons, that I had objected to as they heavily confused visitors.

This kind of thing is common practice for advertising on websites. They are clearly marked as being an advertisement and this is the first compliant we have had about them. Those particular adverts have helped to pay the download and website costs (many terrabytes each month), enabling us to provide direct fast download links for the episodes.

I am open to changing those adverts if a good alternative can be found that is as good at raising money to cover our costs.