Spoilers ST Lower Decks - Starships & Technology Season 4 Discussion
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You know what I just noticed, the USS Faragut in ST:SNW seems to be a predecessor type design for the modern California class.
The only difference is that they move the Deflector dish to be in between the warp nacelles into it's own StarDrive Pod section.
It's like it's a StarShip evolutionary step in design.
Moving the Main Deflector Dish + Warp Core must've saved alot of internal hull space and freed up plenty of room by the time that the California class was completed.
Same with moving the Impulse Drive Exhaust to the bottom of the Saucer section on the California Class.
The only difference is that they move the Deflector dish to be in between the warp nacelles into it's own StarDrive Pod section.
It's like it's a StarShip evolutionary step in design.
Moving the Main Deflector Dish + Warp Core must've saved alot of internal hull space and freed up plenty of room by the time that the California class was completed.
Same with moving the Impulse Drive Exhaust to the bottom of the Saucer section on the California Class.
To me, both the California Class and the Farragut remind me a lot of Franz Joseph's Ptolemy Class. All three ships being a saucer with added bits, the Cali having similar straight pylon nacelles and a support role while the Farragut has its deflector dish in the same spot as the Ptolemy. Neither have the connector neck, although the Cali has its small secondary hull.
Any similarities might be a coincidence, but thats the connection I've made since I first saw both ships.
Any similarities might be a coincidence, but thats the connection I've made since I first saw both ships.
I’ve always liked this idea.
Pics?
4x06 is chock full of tech and world building stuff based on tech! Seeing Ferenginar being almost literally the Las Vegas Star Trek Experience was really neat too.
- The Ferengi ship is based on the ENT-version we see. The Bridge is inspired from the DS9 / VOY iterations, which echo the cramped shuttles too.
- Which makes at least three alien ships, and all four if you count the "new" Romulan ship, which are quite old by 2380s standards. Whatever's going on, they ain't pursuing the capital ships. Methinks a California-class ship may be on the menu. :P
- The USS Toronto is introduced as the latest Parliament-class ship, following the USS Vancouver and continuing the LDS trend of naming classes after collections of cities (a collection that includes the California and Texas classes). But does THAT mean there is a USS Parliament, in the same breath that there probably should be a USS California, even if all the following ships are named for ships grouped under it?
- (And it was pointed out before that the USS Vancouver is NOT the capital city of British Columbia, though Toronto IS for Ontario. There aren't any parliamentary facilities in Vancouver, at least in 2023. Of course, centuries from now things could have changed.)
- Also also, I live in Calgary which is bigger than Edmonton, where the Alberta legislature is. And I actually wouldn't mind a Parliament-class USS Calgary showing up someday, it's a neat ship.
- Would this Starfleet restaurant on Ferenginar not need to license their IP out to the shopowners somehow?
- It's strongly implied that the hotel has some form of subconscious encouragement in place. Interesting for a race that can't be ready by at least Betazoids.
- The episode revolves around the Ferengi taking the first step towards Federation membership, which we know from Bajor can take years, unless the whole thing is a long con to make Ferenginar more appealing for business with Federation allies.
- Why are there so many signs and numbers in English? Is this part of the membership process?
Mark
- The Ferengi ship is based on the ENT-version we see. The Bridge is inspired from the DS9 / VOY iterations, which echo the cramped shuttles too.
- Which makes at least three alien ships, and all four if you count the "new" Romulan ship, which are quite old by 2380s standards. Whatever's going on, they ain't pursuing the capital ships. Methinks a California-class ship may be on the menu. :P
- The USS Toronto is introduced as the latest Parliament-class ship, following the USS Vancouver and continuing the LDS trend of naming classes after collections of cities (a collection that includes the California and Texas classes). But does THAT mean there is a USS Parliament, in the same breath that there probably should be a USS California, even if all the following ships are named for ships grouped under it?
- (And it was pointed out before that the USS Vancouver is NOT the capital city of British Columbia, though Toronto IS for Ontario. There aren't any parliamentary facilities in Vancouver, at least in 2023. Of course, centuries from now things could have changed.)
- Also also, I live in Calgary which is bigger than Edmonton, where the Alberta legislature is. And I actually wouldn't mind a Parliament-class USS Calgary showing up someday, it's a neat ship.
- Would this Starfleet restaurant on Ferenginar not need to license their IP out to the shopowners somehow?
- It's strongly implied that the hotel has some form of subconscious encouragement in place. Interesting for a race that can't be ready by at least Betazoids.
- The episode revolves around the Ferengi taking the first step towards Federation membership, which we know from Bajor can take years, unless the whole thing is a long con to make Ferenginar more appealing for business with Federation allies.
- Why are there so many signs and numbers in English? Is this part of the membership process?
Mark
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Only if it has a rodeo.
Thank you! 
They got rid of that trench that was below the registry, and added a phaser array to the same spot the STO artists put one.
They removed a bunch of windows from the struts, and added triangular escape pods to the bridge module, and mixed in some of the triangular escape pods to the exist rows.
Odd that only the inner windows are lit up.
They removed a bunch of windows from the struts, and added triangular escape pods to the bridge module, and mixed in some of the triangular escape pods to the exist rows.
Odd that only the inner windows are lit up.
For tourists/the audiance
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A few more notes:
- A portable Genesis Device? Really? That they even CALL it that is somewhat suspicious. Who's making these things - and of the same basic arrangement that the Marcuses came up with?
- The Ferengi ship has stolen / licensed the same red alert klaxon from wherever the Orions got theirs.
- The USS Toronto has the same bridge as the Vancouver, which is to say the same as Cerritos but with different LCARS coloring. They also have the same conference as the Vancouver, with a weird window you can spy through, and wavey lines on the walls (again with different coloring). And just like on the Vancouver, Captain Freeman effectively displaces the other ship's CO for the purposes of whatever they're doing in the episode.
- The Vancouver was said to be geared towards large-scale engineering missions, but the Toronto isn't at Ferenginar for anything like that. Really though, this assignment is presented as a low-priority diplomatic mission, so in practice any ship would do. Or the Cerritos alone for that matter.
- Rom may have had some dental work since we last heard him, as Max Grodenchik doesn't sound like he's speaking around some Ferengi dentures.
- Ransom suggests sending Honus and Westlake instead of Rutherfendi. That's great and all, but Honus is the bartender and presumably not Starfleet. Does he have any leeway to send him on an official mission, even if it involves bars?
- Mariner brings the minimum amount of latinum to pay for parking. I guess the constant rain explains the lack of paper currency around here.
- Starfleet rain gear here has division-specific piping, echoing the desert gear we saw in DS9.
- Ferengi luggage is basically the same as Earth standard upright hard shell suitcases c. 2023, with four wheels on the bottom and handles up top. Bellhop uniforms seem to be a universal thing too, as do office casual costumes, though the latter could have been inspired from Earth sitcoms for all we know.
- While being excessively cute together, Rendi get their first hint of discomfort when talking about nude cohabitation. This sorta goes against the known co-ed showers on the Cerritos, but as I quickly learned once I got married, context is King when the clothes come off.
- The Slug-O Cola advertising jingle was not in the advert in Boimler's room. Have the finally changed it? Is it no longer the slimiest cola in the galaxy?
- Pog & Dar: Cop Landlords use hand phasers akin to those seen in TNG et. al., but not the Robotech-inspired prop used by Quark in DS9 et.al.
- Naked Ferengi are seen at the Library and the Starfleet restaurant.
- At the Bar & Grill, numerous ancillary rooms ring the main dining area, including Ten Forward (I'm guessing the bar part), the Jeffries Tube Entrance, a Holodeck Arcade (holosuites upstairs?), Escape From Engineering (an escape room?) and a rack of red shirts.
- TOS uniforms were apparently really flammable? Oddly we've only seen how tear-able they are. Or at least the gold ones.
- Said uniforms were relatively accurate (though they appear to be wearing division-colored boot soles), but the bouncers were wearing TNG gold outfits without the gold pattern on the back.
- Rom signs his name on the contract, versus a thumb print like Gowron did.
Mark
- A portable Genesis Device? Really? That they even CALL it that is somewhat suspicious. Who's making these things - and of the same basic arrangement that the Marcuses came up with?
- The Ferengi ship has stolen / licensed the same red alert klaxon from wherever the Orions got theirs.
- The USS Toronto has the same bridge as the Vancouver, which is to say the same as Cerritos but with different LCARS coloring. They also have the same conference as the Vancouver, with a weird window you can spy through, and wavey lines on the walls (again with different coloring). And just like on the Vancouver, Captain Freeman effectively displaces the other ship's CO for the purposes of whatever they're doing in the episode.
- The Vancouver was said to be geared towards large-scale engineering missions, but the Toronto isn't at Ferenginar for anything like that. Really though, this assignment is presented as a low-priority diplomatic mission, so in practice any ship would do. Or the Cerritos alone for that matter.
- Rom may have had some dental work since we last heard him, as Max Grodenchik doesn't sound like he's speaking around some Ferengi dentures.
- Ransom suggests sending Honus and Westlake instead of Rutherfendi. That's great and all, but Honus is the bartender and presumably not Starfleet. Does he have any leeway to send him on an official mission, even if it involves bars?
- Mariner brings the minimum amount of latinum to pay for parking. I guess the constant rain explains the lack of paper currency around here.
- Starfleet rain gear here has division-specific piping, echoing the desert gear we saw in DS9.
- Ferengi luggage is basically the same as Earth standard upright hard shell suitcases c. 2023, with four wheels on the bottom and handles up top. Bellhop uniforms seem to be a universal thing too, as do office casual costumes, though the latter could have been inspired from Earth sitcoms for all we know.
- While being excessively cute together, Rendi get their first hint of discomfort when talking about nude cohabitation. This sorta goes against the known co-ed showers on the Cerritos, but as I quickly learned once I got married, context is King when the clothes come off.
- The Slug-O Cola advertising jingle was not in the advert in Boimler's room. Have the finally changed it? Is it no longer the slimiest cola in the galaxy?
- Pog & Dar: Cop Landlords use hand phasers akin to those seen in TNG et. al., but not the Robotech-inspired prop used by Quark in DS9 et.al.
- Naked Ferengi are seen at the Library and the Starfleet restaurant.
- At the Bar & Grill, numerous ancillary rooms ring the main dining area, including Ten Forward (I'm guessing the bar part), the Jeffries Tube Entrance, a Holodeck Arcade (holosuites upstairs?), Escape From Engineering (an escape room?) and a rack of red shirts.
- TOS uniforms were apparently really flammable? Oddly we've only seen how tear-able they are. Or at least the gold ones.
- Said uniforms were relatively accurate (though they appear to be wearing division-colored boot soles), but the bouncers were wearing TNG gold outfits without the gold pattern on the back.
- Rom signs his name on the contract, versus a thumb print like Gowron did.
Mark
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That could literally be the basis for it's own season running plot line if written correctly, otherwise it's a few epside mini-adventure as to why there are stolen portable Genesis Device at all.
1) Why would you ever pay more for parking than the bare minimum?
2) Paper Currency can be easily duplicated / forged via the Replicator, that's why hard metal currency encasing liquid metal latinum is the InterGalactic standard for Ferengi society and for many more societies that work with them, a common material who's molecular design/shape is too hard to replicate.
You can make it the old fashion way, by mining for it and purifying it, but you can't replicate it via a replicator. Just like replicators can't make living biological organisms, there are limits to what can be replicated and that's a good basis for currency.
There's no need to reinvent the wheel, if it works, use it.
Uniforms for work is a nice thing to have.
New Slug-O Cola might have taken off, unlike New Coke that failed.
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