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Spoilers ST Discovery - Starships and Technology Season Four Discussion
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Good Luck then on trying to force me or Deks to do what you want.
It ain't happening.
Didn't say it would. Just idle wishes. No harm meant in wishing, right?
You can wish for whatever you want, but if you're going to wish to force somebody to do something they don't want to do, then you'll be in a uphill battle.
It's easier to get people do things if it's something they want to do.
The TNG era scripts weren't written just by the Writers in the Writing room.
They had a cadre of consultants to do the techno babble and the science.
Andre Bormanis was one of those guys who filled in for certain science topics.
No, I'm wishing for you to get to write on Discovery and actually share your ideas with the writers rather than wishing they would lose their jobs. I think that is eminently more reasonable. But, as I said, no harm in wishing, even if an uphill battle. And I'll leave you as the expert on the TNG writer's room, since I know little about TNG technobabble.
Back on topic, I appreciated getting to see more of the different 32nd era ships. They are fast becoming my favorite styles after TOS and DSC styles.
Why do you dislike the Berman-era Trek?
Not on topic, I would say. Suffice to say it does not inspire any interest for me, aside from rare examples. Any other commentary is not about Discovery, so I'll reserve comment.
Man, don't be a dick.
Writers are sacred now?
There were plenty of people calling for other writers and producers, especially Berman to be fired back in the day.
No production staff member is ever truly sacred or protected when it comes to criticism.
Even Gene Roddenberry gets plenty of criticism for all the shenanigans he pulled backstage back in the day.
Many fans are discovering even more of the BS shenanigans Gene pulled thanks to many other fans uncovering and bringing to light what he did.
It's good to be criticized, you won't improve if you don't face the criticism.
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I never said you couldn't criticize them, but wishing for someone to be fired isn't criticism, it's pettiness. All they did was write something you personally didn't like, but lots of people do like their writing.
You can criticize their writing, but wishing for them to lose their lively hood is a low blow.
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Hoping some person to be fired is not criticism. I can learn from a criticism. I cannot learn from someone saying "I hope you lose your job." There's no data points, no comment on what caused the upset. Just devilish delight at my hoped for misfortune.
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And lots of people dislike their writing as well.
Plenty have wished far worse things then wanting them to lose their jobs.
It's not like Hollywood doesn't have tons of writing jobs on countless shows for them to move to.
Modern society has already allowed for Social Media to gather the digital mob to rally the digital pitch forks and get people fired from whatever job they have because they suck at it or have sleighted the masses in some insignificant way.
It's not like we didn't have 3 previous seasons of Discovery that are full of criticism and they haven't shown enough improvement in the areas we wanted them to improve on.
Many fans have given them plenty of chances, how many seasons do you expect fans to put up with until they get it right?
Patience has limits, I think 3 seasons is fairly reasonable in expecting improvements.
But we've seen regressions in basic logic and knowledge of internal Star Trek Tech & Continuity moving into season 4.
Asking for them to be fired is mild / trivial / tame in the grand scheme of things.
How is the DISCO writing staff related to you?
Do you have personal investment in their writers or something?
Do you have stock in CBS?
Why do you care so much about the DISCO writers in the first place?
If the current set of writers get fired, they'll be replaced with another group who has the chance to get it right.
You'll still get your show to watch.
Simple; they're people.
That's not the point. Who cares if I get a show to watch if it cost someone their job?
And People get fired from their jobs when they do a bad job repeatedly.
That's a factor of life and employment. You're not entitled to a job if you do it badly, repeatedly.
You're not the customer that hasn't been satisfied.
You're a satisfied customer.
You're not on the camp who isn't happy with their product.
All you have to do is look at what people are liking from New Trek and what they don't like, DISCO isn't on the top of New Trek's favorite list for alot of OG (Older Generation) Trek fans.
In fact, in my book:
Lower Decks > Prodigy > Picard > Discovery so far.
Hopefully Strange New Worlds does a better job then Discovery in satisfying the OG Trek Fanbase and gets them to come back.
Discovery has had 3 previous seasons to improve, they've been squandering their opportunities repeatedly or have gotten worse in some cases.
I think we need a full sweep change of writing staff on Discovery.
You look at Star Wars side
"The Mandalorian" & "The Bad Batch" are satisfying alot of OG Star Wars fans because the writers respect continuity and are writing a show that is tailored for their core fan base and bringing in new fans at the same time.
Discovery's writing staff isn't caring about the OG Trek Fan Base.
They're just doing whatever they want, and it shows.
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Since the writers room has changed a couple of times I feel this is unreasonable.
Their bosses decide that. Your calls sound entirely mean spirited, like calling for the salespersons job for bringing the wrong shoes. Thankfully, my bosses were more forgiving and humane with my mistakes. I'll extend the same courtesy to all humans.
Also, don't take me defense as full satisfaction. I could be unsatisfied, like with the Mandalorian, and not demand firing.
But, you do you. IDIC, etc.
They've changed, but they haven't fixed the core problems that I see in it along with others who see the same issues.
I've put up with 3 seasons of Discovery to improve, I think I've been more than patient enough compared to others who bailed out on Discovery within Seasons 1/2/3.
I'm still going to stick with Discovery, but I'm not going to hold back on the criticism now that it's on it's 4th season.
I've given it the 3 season trial period to improve from early season issues. It hasn't worked nearly as well as other New Trek properties like "Lower Decks", "Prodigy", "Picard".
So it's a inherent writers issue with Discovery specifically.
Then you're not unsatsified enough if you don't demand firings.
I will.
Well, my days of not taking you seriously have certainly come to a middle.
And I won't ever be. It's a TV show.
Compassion is a lost art it seems.
It's a free society, you're more than free to evaluate me in whatever way you feel.
That's the beauty of freedom.
TV shows are just another product, like any job.
Compassion has limits as with all things having limits.
I appreciate your permission and graciousness in this matter.
There are few products I call for firings. I'm sure someday that will happen, but in my 30+ years it hasn't happened when it comes to things like TV shows, films, and retail. It's not that important in the grand scheme of life.
Perhaps, perhaps. But, I haven't hit that limit, nor does it change my mind on demanding a firing of a writer and calling it criticism. There is no learning from a firing demand. It's a middle finger. Not compassionate, not teaching, not helpful. It's pure vindictiveness, not criticism.
You never needed my permission, you were always able to do whatever you wanted from the get go.
That's how free societies work.
In my 30+ years of life, there have been ALOT of products where I want people FIRED for sheer incompetent/bad decision makings.
That applies to everything from entertainment media, to every other product under the sun.
Star Trek doesn't get a pass because I love the franchise.
If anything it deserves more scrutiny because I care so much about it.
It's very important that incompetent/bad decision making not get rewarded in life.
IMO, firing is a great learning tool. It teaches you that you can't get rewarded for screwing up at work, and that you need to do your job better, at a better level, with the results that are expected of you.
It's not vindictiveness, it's businesses doing what's best for the product and the end result for the customer that they're trying to sell/appeal to.
You shouldn't take it personally, it's business/work. There is a reason why it's called "Show Business".
At the end of the day, Star Trek is a product that is being sold and trying to make a profit.
How it goes about it is up to CBS and the Trek Production staff.
But at the end of the day, the customers are the fanbase, and if you're not satsifying the vast majority of the fans, you're doing something wrong.
