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ST canon is inconsistent and contradictory.
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I always reach for the meta
I of course know that, but the argument exists all the same. Regardless, the line does prove my point that independent nation states did exist on Earth after First Contact, which is why I dug it out.
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Hey, HEY! Leave you Abrams propaganda out of this thread!
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What episode of TOS the foundation was last called THE UNITED EARTH SPACE PROBE AGENCY and where did the UFP began?
It's acronym appeared in "Charlie X" and was directly referenced in "Tomorrow is Yesterday." Kirk also mentions UESPA regulations at Pike's trial. I'm not 100% but I think the first official use of UFP was "A Taste of Armageddon."
For me S1 of TOS has always both stood out from what followed and been my favourite. And one aspect of that uniqueness are the references to Earth and UESPA etc. Now, I know that in RL it was just that the production team hadn't yet got the setting details tied-down, but I wonder what a sensible in-universe reason for all this might look like?
I think that United Earth is the political organisation and UESPA the space exploration and defence arm of that. There may be a few allied/incorporated/federated planets & sentient species, but Earth/Terra is the first among equals.
As a good example, Vulcan is one of these allies, but only truly allied in the last 10-15 or so years.The Axanar incident was a major turning point and seens to have involved some sort of conflict (extrapolated from Kirk's lines in " Whom gods destroy") followed by a peace mission (again WGD and Kirk having a Axanar peace medal in "Court martial". Again in CM Kirk mentions "the Vulcan(ian) Expedition". The way in which it is said sounds to me like a big thing and not just a collaboration with/visit to an ally of close and long association? Also there is the frequent prejudice against Spock, and the fact that McCoy doesn't seem to know Vulcan physiology and medicine. Again this doesn't feel like close allies? And don't get me started on "Amok Time" where a visit to Vulcan seems just as much mystery and social "exploration" as do the visits to unknown planets throughout TOS.
I know that this is a TOS only concersation and is heavilly into YMMV territory, and so I would love to read other takes on this?
But Dr. M'Benga (sp?) in "A Private Little War" does. So, it might be a choice of specialization in terms of medical ability. Because, we see that Spock is not unique in terms of service on a starship as a Vulcan but might be more unique in that its a more human populated ship, while the Intrepid is a more Vulcan populated ship. And this tradition seems to carry forward even in to DS9 with Sisko and the Vulcan captain's rivalry.
Vulcan, as a rule, seems to be highly insular in terms of protecting personal information, traditions, and more private information. Honestly, not unlike the Breen with their allies in the Dominion. They have a mutual interest and they worked together towards that goal. Anything further is not considered necessary. Why would things like a marriage or trial by combat be "need to know" by the Federation in their day to day operations of Starfleet and exploration?
Since the reason for the emergency visit to Vulcan was to get Spock there in time for his wedding ceremony, I’m not sure if that accurately represents Vulcans in every day settings.
Had they been there for a day trip to Shi Khar?
I’m poking through my reprint of the 1975 Star Fleet Technical Manual, looking for a starbase to let the crew go have shore leave on.
I see a total of two star bases.
I checked Memory Alpha/Beta first, didn’t find it helpful. I need info relevant to the 2266-2269 era.
Two star bases were all they had? Can anyone confirm?
I see a total of two star bases.
I checked Memory Alpha/Beta first, didn’t find it helpful. I need info relevant to the 2266-2269 era.
Two star bases were all they had? Can anyone confirm?
Page of ‘Known Galactic Region’ has 16 or 17 listed. Looks like most lay outside of UFP space.
Known Galactic Region. Oh, they’re numbered with little degree marks but not labelled. Thanks!
Had to pull out my copy because I knew I had just seen them, but couldn’t remember the page.
I ended up using Star Base Two from the opposite page, United Federation of Planets-Principle Stellar Systems
"The Federation" was first used in Arena (one episode before TIY or two by production order):
United Earth anything was never mentioned again after TIY, so, this must have been during a short transitional phase of moving Starfleet Command from United Earth government over to the Federation (UFP) organization.
If one discounts Enterprise, you almost get the feeling of a transition being at play. Where the Federation feels it is better to have its resources under a central command with the reemergence of threats like the Romulans and Klingons.
I agree. The transition of Starfleet under the Federation happens after Balance of Terror (the Romulan threat), and is fully established before Errand of Mercy (the Klingon threat). I have theorized that some sort of Klingon conflict/battle occurred a few months after the BOT episode and about six months before Errand of Mercy which was the driving force for UE Starfleet being moved under the Federation. Notice around this same period that the Enterprise gets a weapon system upgrade (photon torpedoes) and dilithium crystals (perhaps a "welcome-to-the-Federation" gift from other Federation members?). Did the Klingons feel threatened by the militarization of the Federation (i.e. moving Starfleet under the Federation and upgrading the Earth fleet whose ships started to encroach on Klingon space)? EOM implies that recent relations between the Federation and Klingons have been going down hill. The episode resulted in first declaring war between the Federation and the Klingon Empire at the start of the episode, which quickly resolved into the Organian Peace Treaty by the end of the episode. YMMV 
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I love, love, love your correlation between BOP & EOM, and the upgunning from "pulse-phasers" to photon torpedoes.I agree. The transition of Starfleet under the Federation happens after Balance of Terror (the Romulan threat), and is fully established before Errand of Mercy (the Klingon threat). I have theorized that some sort of Klingon conflict/battle occurred a few months after the BOT episode and about six months before Errand of Mercy which was the driving force for UE Starfleet being moved under the Federation. Notice around this same period that the Enterprise gets a weapon system upgrade (photon torpedoes) and dilithium crystals (perhaps a "welcome-to-the-Federation" gift from other Federation members?). Did the Klingons feel threatened by the militarization of the Federation (i.e. moving Starfleet under the Federation and upgrading the Earth fleet whose ships started to encroach on Klingon space)? EOM implies that recent relations between the Federation and Klingons have been going down hill. The episode resulted in first declaring war between the Federation and the Klingon Empire at the start of the episode, which quickly resolved into the Organian Peace Treaty by the end of the episode. YMMV
I take it that your comment about dilithium is a change from "lithium"?
Also see that the Klingon attack in EOM could have been a lot more two- sided than it at first seemed!
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