While I don't know if there will be a 24th century setting trek movie after nemesis,if one is made will the final Borg conflict as referenced In the Destiny trilogy be included as canon-or will the writers pretend it didn't happen?
(spoilers)Will the Borg be included in canon?
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There's no way to know unless it happens.
We do know that the current Trek writers, Roberto Orci and Alex Kurtzman, are aware of and enjoy reading the Trek novels, so presumably they're aware of the Destiny trilogy. If they're the writers behind any new canonical Trek stories set in the prime timeline, they may well choose to reference, adapt, or just be consistent with the Destiny books.
This thread is, I think, better suited for our Future of Trek forum, so I'm moving it there...
The Borg are still out there. Nothing that Spock or Nero did to the timeline is likely to impact a race of beings so far removed from the action. So yeah, it's safe to assume that the Borg can appear in a story in the future, and not necessarily in the same way as we've already seen.
In fact, an interesting story could be made from the impact of Spock telling Starfleet about the Borg threat long before they "should" have known about it. Does being forwarned so much longer in advance make a difference? Might it actually be a detriment for some reason we can't predict?
In fact, an interesting story could be made from the impact of Spock telling Starfleet about the Borg threat long before they "should" have known about it. Does being forwarned so much longer in advance make a difference? Might it actually be a detriment for some reason we can't predict?
I think if Spock told them about the Borg, Starfleet busybodies would go looking for them which would be a huge mistake.
It's likely we won't see the Prime Timeline again, at least, not on film. And even if we do get more Prime Trek live action, I doubt they'll adhere to what the novels have been doing.
That's not what the OP is talking about. He's referring to the recent novel trilogy Star Trek: Destiny in which the Borg threat is ended forever and the Borg cease to exist.
Read the trilogy,and you wil understand why I asked this.David Mack wrote a story that not only stands on it's own,it's a story that gives a great foundation for drama/charachter changes .
You, sir, don't know what the fuck you're talking about. The ending to the Destiny trilogy is neither crappy nor pointless.
1. It was about time someone got rid of the Borg once and for all. It was getting ridiculous having them appear, be big and bad, and then be defeated when, by all reasonable accounts, they should have been able to stomp all over Our Heroes. They were getting tiresome. Star Trek: Destiny is the greatest Borg story ever written save "The Best of Both Worlds:" The Borg appear and are finally serious about destroying the Federation, invading it en masse, and the Federation simply cannot defeat them.
2. In the end, the Borg are stopped -- not by the Federation -- once and for all, it's not pointless even if the Borg are revived in the canon (which we don't know if they will be). Why? Because the final end of the Borg makes for a dramatically satisfying and thematically consistent ending to a beautifully-written, moving trilogy of novels about the necessity of coming to terms with one's own mortality. I'm not kidding when I say that the Destiny trilogy is legitimate literature, using the tropes of Star Trek and the sci-fi action formulas and then moving beyond them. I don't care if the Borg are revived in the canon, because it made for the perfect ending to Destiny.
And if you don't believe me, you should pick up the books themselves before spouting off about something you don't know a damn thing about.
3. We don't know for certain that the Borg will be revived in the canon (or that if they are, it will be in the prime timeline). As I noted above, the writers for ST09 are actually fans of the Star Trek book series -- they listed such novels as Spock's World, Best Destiny, Enterprise: The First Adventure, and Ex Machina as influences on the movie. And Orci has said that in preparation for writing the sequel to ST09, he's going back and reading up on all the most recent novels. So if they're doing something in the prime timeline in the future, it is just as possible that they might choose to be consistent with the Destiny trilogy or acknowledge it -- or even adapt it -- as it is that they might ignore it.
paramount already brought the borg out in first contact, and that movie flopped my thoughts are that jj abrams will stick to the TOS era characters
Yeah, First Contact did horribly. On Gilligan's Island.
Yeah.. the whole critical acclaim and money thing was awesome... but it needed more.
WTF? Is it really necessary to jump at my throat like that for saying that the ending sounds crappy from your description? Maybe you should write more than "... the Borg threat is ended forever and the Borg cease to exist" if you want's people to think it's actually worth reading.
Or maybe you should read the books instead of jumping to conclusions based on -- what? The fact that the Borg end? Why would that sound crappy? Goodness knows it's better than yet another "OMG-they're-so-powerful-but-oh-hai-we-defeated-them-anyway" story.
I'd rather give the Borg a miss, simple because of painful memories of a interesting villian Flanderized and Bowlderized into utter lamness in Voyager.
If we must have them back, I preferred them as the force of nature as portrayed in "Q-Who". No individual personality to talk to. No Queen. no humanization of them.
dealing with them should come as close to dealing with Cthulhu-Mythos as Trek could come. Unknowable. Unmentiontion. And Alien as all get out.
that would be more interesting than Stereo-equipment head of the week.
If we must have them back, I preferred them as the force of nature as portrayed in "Q-Who". No individual personality to talk to. No Queen. no humanization of them.
dealing with them should come as close to dealing with Cthulhu-Mythos as Trek could come. Unknowable. Unmentiontion. And Alien as all get out.
that would be more interesting than Stereo-equipment head of the week.
If the new movie takes a lot from ENT, then Starfleet already knows about the borg.
If it's a novel, it's not canon anyway, so what's the problem?
And why are you discussing novels here instead of TrekLit? If the topic is, "should X from a novel be put in a movie," then the answer is, "sure, if it's a good plot point." If the Borg are useful to the JJverse in the future, we should have the Borg.
if JJ doesn't want the Borg around, that's simple to achieve. Just never have the encounter with Q. Maybe the Borg never decide to come our way?
What happens in a novel makes no difference in determining whether the Borg fit into the movies (or a future TV series). My stance has always been that the Borg could be used well but must be used sparingly, and must be exceedingly difficult to defeat.
WTF? Is it really necessary to jump at my throat like that for saying that the ending sounds crappy from your description? Maybe you should write more than "... the Borg threat is ended forever and the Borg cease to exist" if you want's people to think it's actually worth reading.
Or maybe you should read the books instead of jumping to conclusions based on -- what? The fact that the Borg end? Why would that sound crappy? Goodness knows it's better than yet another "OMG-they're-so-powerful-but-oh-hai-we-defeated-them-anyway" story.
Since this isn't the TrekLit forum, you can't make the assumption that anyone here knows or cares about what happens in any given novel. Looks to me like this thread got moved from TrekLit. That's the problem. This thread is in the wrong forum.
If you want to lobby for a Borg plotline being introduced into the movies, you'll have to do a better job of it because the description you gave doesn't sound like it's worth devoting a movie to. With all the great things they could do a movie about, killing off the Borg is not in my Top 100.
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Yup. Which all sucks.
