*Spoilers* U.S.S. Franklin Design?

[Timo]

I think going to Yellow Alert involves quite a few steps in practice - and while one of these is the energizing of defense fields, another might be ramping up intruder control measures, these two things having nothing to do with each other besides both being required under Yellow Alert. A cadet training cruise would be the only time you actually hear such things spelled out, of course!

What this energizing of defense fields actually means, difficult to tell. Might be as simple as "fire up the shield generators, in case the skipper wants to command the shields raised".

Timo Saloniemi

 

[Tomalak]

Scotty apparently uses "main energiser" as a synonym for "warp core", so it's not unreasonable that "energise defence fields" refers to the power systems for the shields, rather than the shields themselves.

 

[Timo]

With transporters, "energizing" refers to actual activation, though...

An energizer reamplifies the drained dilithium in "Alternative Factor". Perhaps Scotty can do that online, while the dilithium sits inside the warp reactor, by using the "main" energizer(s)? But when those are out, dilithium decays - so Spock takes it out of the core and manually turns a working facet against the antimatter stream, then reinserts, and all is fine again even though the main energizer is still shot to hell?

Timo Saloniemi

 

[publiusr]

The CIC in Galactica is on the middle deck of the ship right between where the nose section joins the main body. So yeah pretty deep inside.

In NuBSG, yes.

Now the TOS Galactica had a Caracal like "Flag bridge" that a Cylon raider hit, IIRC

I think the TOS Ent bridge was to be a lifeboat--maybe even the B/C deck too--by one manual--that had the saucer keep the pylon for a tailfin.leg.

Besides, we see the BoP in ST: TUC gor right through the saucer--so you can get hit no matter how deep you are with certain weapons.

In terms of the Galactica...you know--if I didn't know what the Galactica was--and you'd show it to me--I'd think it was that Gorn ship that hit Cestus III.

Thing looks like a gator anyway.

One of the things to do with a time machine. Steal all the ship models from history--and leave them on Datins doorstep.

"here are your ships of the week!" for TOS Trek

 

[Gingerbread Demon]

In NuBSG, yes.

Sorry my mistake. That was what I was referring to, the new version of Galactica, which also had the ability to retract the two side pods into the body, something the old ship just couldn't do. And yeah the old version had a bridge on top like a Trek ship.

 

[Kemaiku]

"Plug in the thing!"

 

[F. King Daniel]

I'm wondering if Simon Pegg's recent comment about using Memory Alpha to look up details of an NX-class ship means that the Franklin is, in fact, supposed to be their version of an NX-class ship and the Star Trek Beyond crew are taking an X-Men style ultra loose approach to continuity?

 

[Timo]

If it's that loose, does it count as loose? I mean, if the Franklin ends up being nothing like NX-01 (different design, different name, different era, different crew, different adventures), where's the difference?

Timo Saloniemi

 

[137th Gebirg]

Don't see how this could be the case. A model of Archer's NX was on Admiral Marcus' desk in STID. It's a part of nu-canon. No looseness about it.

 

[Trumpinator]

I'm wondering if Simon Pegg's recent comment about using Memory Alpha to look up details of an NX-class ship means that the Franklin is, in fact, supposed to be their version of an NX-class ship and the Star Trek Beyond crew are taking an X-Men style ultra loose approach to continuity?

That's what I've been thinking. When the
original timeline changed, so did the evolution of the NX.

 

[Gingerbread Demon]

Don't see how this could be the case. A model of Archer's NX was on Admiral Marcus' desk in STID. It's a part of nu-canon. No looseness about it.

Yep it's right there on that desk with all the other Enterprise models. Also hilarious that there is a model of the Vengeance on the same desk and we're not supposed to know that till the big reveal later in the movie..

 

[Timo]

Having NX-01 and the Vengeance (or perhaps the Dreadnought, if we read Khan's terminology that way) in that line-up gives me the warm feeling that everything is all right in this pseudo-universe.

What would have been more controversial is including that scene where Harewood phones Marcus from the S31 lair and tells him that Khan has asked him to do this bit of suicide bombing, then proceeds. How would the model of the TOS ship hanging from Marcus' ceiling have fit the big picture?

I wonder if it actually does, and both Starfleets in both timelines had those midget frontier scouts in addition to the big proper starships...

Timo Saloniemi

 

[Gingerbread Demon]

Having NX-01 and the Vengeance (or perhaps the Dreadnought, if we read Khan's terminology that way) in that line-up gives me the warm feeling that everything is all right in this pseudo-universe.

What would have been more controversial is including that scene where Harewood phones Marcus from the S31 lair and tells him that Khan has asked him to do this bit of suicide bombing, then proceeds. How would the model of the TOS ship hanging from Marcus' ceiling have fit the big picture?

I wonder if it actually does, and both Starfleets in both timelines had those midget frontier scouts in addition to the big proper starships...

Timo Saloniemi

That would have been an interesting twist ....

I always wondered if the Admiral knew of the plan Khan had.

 

[Timo]

Oh, I'm sure it was a joint plan. How else would Khan have accessed all the resources he vitally needed - and why else would the actions of Khan so splendidly have promoted Marcus' agenda?

Of course, it was a joint plan where each villain planned to backstab the other, and of course both knew that. But of course, both would be convinced theirs was the more cunning betrayal plan...

That cut scene shows Marcus reacting with what looks like at least slight surprise to the news that S31 is to be bombed on the behest of "John Erickson" (Khan's original alias). But we may be reading that reaction wrong - and since the scene was cut, it's a non-issue. I wonder if the old-style Constitution hanging from the office ceiling isn't a ship aboard which Marcus himself once served? It's unique among his decorations as regards placement.

Timo Saloniemi

 

[ISS Enterprise]

Mackus knew Khan's plan...... everything up to before Khan popped his head off like a zit..... LOL

 

[Gingerbread Demon]

Mackus knew Khan's plan...... everything up to before Khan popped his head off like a zit..... LOL

Yeah you even hear the crunching and popping sound when he did it..

 

[Mudd]

Khan pretty clearly went rogue to destroy the Kelvin facility and flee. Marcus wasn't in on any of it.

 

[Timo]

Marcus wanted to send a Starfleet skipper to Qo'noS to die provocatively. Marcus wanted a bad guy to do some nastiness to helpless Feds to provide an excuse for the sucker of a skipper to go after said bad guy. Khan delivered. He'd have had no reason to, unless it was all part of a joint plan.

Indeed, Khan would have had zero reason to bomb the S31 lair or machine-gun the penthouse, if his motivation was to hurt rather than aid Marcus. Given how we soon learn that Khan is a marksman with heavy weaponry, there's no reason for him to fail to kill Marcus at the Godfather III meeting, other than this not being part of the plan. And a plan that leaves Marcus alive must be a plan made by Marcus.

Besides, when finally exposed, Marcus himself brags to Kirk on having been on top of the situation from the get-go. Although that's no doubt a lie.

Timo Saloniemi

 

[DaddlerTheDalek]

Man. This thread seems to be a little off topic!

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

Par for the course around here.