Lt. Cheka Wey
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Stilll a part of some shady cabal like it was eluded to in the ongoing series?
Spoilers Is Pike...
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Didn't get any impression of that in the film. Admiral Marcus is a member of Section 31 and he was the guy who recruited Pike to join Starfleet, so I guess it's not entirely out of the realm of possibility.
But then...
But then...
He's killed during the attack on HQ. So we'll never know. But I think not.
Pike appeared twice. I don't think either appearance included a reference to him being part of a "shady cabal". In one he was the Captain of the Enterprise. In the other he was an injured and disfigured Starfleet officer.
Lt. Cheka Wey
Commander
It could be revealed n\in the next movie or other tie-in stuff.
Pike? Part of a "shady cabal"? Not sure where that impression was laid out. Pike is nothing short of the paragon of honesty and duty, in any timeline. Where could anyone get the idea that Pike was a member of a cabal (presumably, Section 31)?
Just because Marcus claimed to have recruited Pike doesn't mean they were in any kind of cahoots.
It's always interesting to see what some fans get impressions of. Almost all of it is projecting their wishes into the story, rather than any intent by the writers, producers, or actors.
Just because Marcus claimed to have recruited Pike doesn't mean they were in any kind of cahoots.
It's always interesting to see what some fans get impressions of. Almost all of it is projecting their wishes into the story, rather than any intent by the writers, producers, or actors.
"Captain Pike, is it true that you're part of a shady cabal?"
"BEEP! BEEEEEEP!"
"BEEP! BEEEEEEP!"
IDW's comics, specifically their adaptation of Return of the Archons,
features a group of shady Starfleet officers who try to recruit Sulu. In the end, it's implied Pike is part of the group and that promoting Kirk to captain of the Enterprise is part of the group's master plan. Or rather, Pike's agenda which is his contribution to the master plan. One of the officers refers to Kirk as "Pike's project."
^ Well, that would partially explain Kirk's meteoric rise to the Captain's Chair™. And I suppose it isn't entirely out of the question. Still, I didn't get any vibe from the films that Pike was anything other than the epitome of Starfleet virtue. He seemed the straight arrow - the solid foundation - in a pair of crises that pushed Starfleet to its absolute limit. He was the kind of officer Kirk ought to strive to be.
That won't prevent future films from subverting that characterization - but as yet I don't see anything on film that would really do so.
That won't prevent future films from subverting that characterization - but as yet I don't see anything on film that would really do so.
No, but some things from the comics were worked into the movie. Like Cupcake's name being Hendorf.
He'll always be Cupcake to me...
I don't know it seemed Pike (at least from the art work) wasn't to happy about the cover up thing going on, so I'm not sure he was in on it.
Pike a member of some shady cabal. Nope not going to happen no matter what verse it is. Pike was a high level member of star fleet. I'm going out on a limb here, but the other admirals weren't aware of Marcus's specific plans with regards to Khan and such. I believe that even for section 31 Marcus would be considered as having gone rogue.
S31 was always in the business of subverting threats to the Federation... Not instigating them like Marcus did. S31 would be more likely to get one alien race to shoot at another alien race to get them off our backs, not actually provoke a direct shooting war between us and them. That would be rather dumb.
As far as Pike is concerned... In the films? No way. Not Pike. He's a classic Starfleet Captain.
As far as Pike is concerned... In the films? No way. Not Pike. He's a classic Starfleet Captain.
Lt. Cheka Wey
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Let's say the feds are great shape for war on the klingons are not. The Fedration citizens have no stomach for war...
A hotheaded manchurian candidate for a ''Gulf of Tonkin...''
It's reight up their alley.
A hotheaded manchurian candidate for a ''Gulf of Tonkin...''
It's reight up their alley.
i'm with most people on this thread, there is no way Pike would ever be involved in a shady organization like Section 31. He was probably up there next to officers like Jonathan Archer and George Kirk Sr.
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Pike is the Optimus Prime of Starfleet. 
