Spock's DEATH SCENE

[RobertScorpio]

My friend and I have been fighting over this ever since we saw this movie together, in the year 1528!!! Seems that long ago.

Was Spock's death scene good enough? My friend says no. He thinks Kirk should have said more, rather than just leaning against the glass partition as spock faded away..

I disagree. Kirk, as we all know, is a big talker. Shatner seems to love the sound of his own voice; I love it too. But of all the times he couldn't find the words to say? It should have been when his best friend Spock died...

What is your opinion...I have included one of those handy dandy polls..

 

[Mysterion]

Perfect the way it is. Too bad ST3 came along and spoiled it all.

 

[Trekwatcher]

One of the true high points of all of Star Trek. One of the many reasons STII is unlikely to ever be topped as the best of all the Star Trek films, IMHO. The movie has so many great moments and this is the big finish. When I saw this in the movies when it first came out I remember looking around and people were weeping openly. Meyer et al really hit this one out of the park.

 

[scotpens]

Perfect the way it is. Too bad ST3 came along and spoiled it all.

Did you think Kirk was really dead in “Amok Time," “The Tholian Web,” or “The Enterprise Incident”? Or that McCoy was really dead in “Shore Leave”? Or that Scotty was really dead in “The Changeling”? Or that Chekov was really dead in “Spectre of the Gun”? So why did anyone expect Spock to really die at the end of ST II?

 

[Mysterion]

Perfect the way it is. Too bad ST3 came along and spoiled it all.

Did you think Kirk was really dead in “Amok Time," “The Tholian Web,” or “The Enterprise Incident”? Or that McCoy was really dead in “Shore Leave”? Or that Scotty was really dead in “The Changeling”? Or that Chekov was really dead in “Spectre of the Gun”?

None of those, no.

However, I do think that the ongoing ST storyline would have been better served with Spock staying dead.

 

[RobertScorpio]

Perfect the way it is. Too bad ST3 came along and spoiled it all.

Did you think Kirk was really dead in “Amok Time," “The Tholian Web,” or “The Enterprise Incident”? Or that McCoy was really dead in “Shore Leave”? Or that Scotty was really dead in “The Changeling”? Or that Chekov was really dead in “Spectre of the Gun”?

None of those, no.

However, I do think that the ongoing ST storyline would have been better served with Spock staying dead.

I actually agree..and it would have been "fresh" and would have shown they were willing to take chances (like Star Wars did with killing off Obe Wan, and revealing who Darth was) things like that ensure greatness.

Rob

 

[A beaker full of death]

Perfect the way it is. Too bad ST3 came along and spoiled it all.

Did you think Kirk was really dead in “Amok Time," “The Tholian Web,” or “The Enterprise Incident”? Or that McCoy was really dead in “Shore Leave”? Or that Scotty was really dead in “The Changeling”? Or that Chekov was really dead in “Spectre of the Gun”? So why did anyone expect Spock to really die at the end of ST II?

Because back then there was no reason to think there would be a III. Sequels weren't automatic back then.

 

[RobertScorpio]

Perfect the way it is. Too bad ST3 came along and spoiled it all.

Did you think Kirk was really dead in “Amok Time," “The Tholian Web,” or “The Enterprise Incident”? Or that McCoy was really dead in “Shore Leave”? Or that Scotty was really dead in “The Changeling”? Or that Chekov was really dead in “Spectre of the Gun”? So why did anyone expect Spock to really die at the end of ST II?

Because back then there was no reason to think there would be a III. Sequels weren't automatic back then.

Good point Beaker..I remember thinking at the time, before I saw khan, that although TMP was a money maker, the going thought was that Paramount barely greenlit Khan, and that Khan was going to be the last movie....and this was, what, five years before TNG, so TREK wasn't really "back" yet at full throttle..

Rob

 

[mirandafave]

The death scene was perfect. Pitch note perfect. Compare to Data's in Nemesis and you can really see just how perfect it was.

 

[plynch]

The death scene was perfect. Pitch note perfect. Compare to Data's in Nemesis and you can really see just how perfect it was.

Wow -- good point. They should have left Trek movies to the professionals. Seriously. I remember seeing the Data death scene the one time I've ever seen Nem, and thinking, "You have GOT to be kidding." And then the replacement is B-4. Wow. Wow. It's like they were TRYING to be bad.

 

[Xerxes1979]

Death scene was perfect. However Shatner should have completely redubbed his audio for the photon burial. "up arms" is complete crap.

 

[RobertScorpio]

The death scene was perfect. Pitch note perfect. Compare to Data's in Nemesis and you can really see just how perfect it was.

Wow -- good point. They should have left Trek movies to the professionals. Seriously. I remember seeing the Data death scene the one time I've ever seen Nem, and thinking, "You have GOT to be kidding." And then the replacement is B-4. Wow. Wow. It's like they were TRYING to be bad.

...and succeeded!!! LOL...

rob

 

[Withers]

If there had been no intent to resurrect Spock I'd think more an "effort" would have been appropriate. As it stands though it seems pretty obvious that they never intended for that to be the last time Kirk would see Spock. That being the case I think there was just enough dialogue to keep it from being a scene where Shatner gets to do his "I am Actor!" bit.

In addition to it being hand over first better than Data's death scene I'll add this; there was a subtle nod that Spock could live on. In Nemesis they might as well have just out right said that B4 would eventually be Data.



-Withers-​

 

[AxelFoley]

If there had been no intent to resurrect Spock I'd think more an "effort" would have been appropriate. As it stands though it seems pretty obvious that they never intended for that to be the last time Kirk would see Spock. That being the case I think there was just enough dialogue to keep it from being a scene where Shatner gets to do his "I am Actor!" bit.​

In addition to it being hand over first better than Data's death scene I'll add this; there was a subtle nod that Spock could live on. In Nemesis they might as well have just out right said that B4 would eventually be Data.​

-Withers-​

It was supposed to be the last time we saw Spock, at least the scene was written in that way. The only thing they changed was the "remember" part, which was not a part of the actual death scene.​

 

[Anji]

I saw it at the movie theater on opening night. In the middle of that death scene I heard wimpering coming from the seats behind me. I turned around and there were two of the biggest biker guys I had ever seen (complete with long hair, leather jackets, sawed off t-shirts) wiping their eyes and their noses with bandanas as they cried like babies.

Yeah, I'd say it was perfect.

 

[RobertScorpio]

I saw it at the movie theater on opening night. In the middle of that death scene I heard wimpering coming from the seats behind me. I turned around and there were two of the biggest biker guys I had ever seen (complete with long hair, leather jackets, sawed off t-shirts) wiping their eyes and their noses with bandanas as they cried like babies.

Yeah, I'd say it was perfect.

This lady behind us really lost it...she had to LEAVE before the end of the scene.

Rob

 

[Peach Wookiee]

Heck, I knew how things happened, and I still cry!

 

[diankra]

I saw it at the movie theater on opening night. In the middle of that death scene I heard wimpering coming from the seats behind me. I turned around and there were two of the biggest biker guys I had ever seen (complete with long hair, leather jackets, sawed off t-shirts) wiping their eyes and their noses with bandanas as they cried like babies.

Yeah, I'd say it was perfect.

This lady behind us really lost it...she had to LEAVE before the end of the scene.

Rob

I had that moment In Search for Spock: I'd already read the book, but some friends who hadn't were also there, and when the destruct countdown hit five you could hear them gasping 'No....'

 

[RobertScorpio]

I saw it at the movie theater on opening night. In the middle of that death scene I heard wimpering coming from the seats behind me. I turned around and there were two of the biggest biker guys I had ever seen (complete with long hair, leather jackets, sawed off t-shirts) wiping their eyes and their noses with bandanas as they cried like babies.

Yeah, I'd say it was perfect.

This lady behind us really lost it...she had to LEAVE before the end of the scene.

Rob

I had that moment In Search for Spock: I'd already read the book, but some friends who hadn't were also there, and when the destruct countdown hit five you could hear them gasping 'No....'

Khan...Search for Spock...I know that many were against destroying the Enterprise, but i am glad they did it. Why? Because it showed that the writers/producers knew they were making movies and not glorified tv episodes (ahem...TNG) and that there were consequences for their actions.

Rob

 

[Herbert1]

Perfect the way it is. Too bad ST3 came along and spoiled it all.

Did you think Kirk was really dead in “Amok Time," “The Tholian Web,” or “The Enterprise Incident”? Or that McCoy was really dead in “Shore Leave”? Or that Scotty was really dead in “The Changeling”? Or that Chekov was really dead in “Spectre of the Gun”? So why did anyone expect Spock to really die at the end of ST II?

Yes we believed that Spock was dead. Because there was the common misconception at the time that Leonard Nimoy did not want to play Spock or be involved with Star Trek. Star Trek: Phase II was re-written without Nimoy as Spock. The common misconception was that Star Trek projects were being derailed and cancelled because Nimoy didn't want to do them or was being difficult. Nimoy wrote an autobiography titled I Am Not Spock that made us believe he hated Star Trek and Spock. Even Michael Eisner, then head of Paramount, believed that Nimoy wanted Spock to die as a requirement of his contract to appear in Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan. We really expected Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan to be the last filmed Star Trek adventure in 1982 and he was truly dead.