There's got to be a good chance they'll do a Spidey movie, a Venom crossover and another cameo or two, and then do a Marvel deal...
Spidey OUT of MCU
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I doubt that we'll ever see the licensing partnership that gave us Homecoming and Far From Home and Spidey's participation in Civil War, Infinity War, and Endgame renewed ever or anything of its ilk ever attempted again by anyone else.
Agreed, but the question becomes can they keep it as profitable as it was within the MCU? The Venom/Spidey relationship only has limited legs compared to the sheer scale of the MCU, especially if we are (possibly?) looking at bringing the X Men into the fold.
This.
Sony doesn't need their Spider-Man IP to remain "as profitable as it was while associated with the MCU"; it just needs to remain profitable enough to sustain its own viability.I
Circling back to TASM2 for a moment, the fact that it was a success but not to the degree that Sony wanted it to be only became an albatross because of the information hack that happened shortly after its release and the fact that said hack and the subsequent release of the information gleaned from said hack caused executives to panic.
Under normal circumstances, TASM2 would have been considered successful enough to warrant Sony proceeding with the rest of its plans, but the things that happened after its release didn't constitute "normal circumstances" .
I don't see why they would opt for the less profitable option?
If they can make Venom/SM a success and return to the table with something Disney will really want it may well be in their interest to do so but they are the ones playing the higher risk game here. Disney know the negotiations will recommence at some point and they will be the stronger party. Sonys' interests here rest in trying to close that gap in the meantime.
Sony only made the licensing partnership in the first place because executives panicked.
If their belief that they can keep the Spider-Man IP viable on their own proves true, there is zero incentive or motivation for them to revisit said licensing partnership.
Well, yes there is if they have reason to suspect they'll increase their profit margin by doing so. Yes they can make vast sums out of Spidey but there's far more to be made by being part of something larger into which they have to invest less.
This isn't (IMHO) about actually pulling the character out of the MCU, it's about two parties playing to improve their position within a business arrangement and that sometimes means brinkmanship.
True, all they needed to do to fix the film series was make sure that the budget of the next film didn't become exorbitant, not just, as they did with TASM2, assume that it can have a huge budget because it will necessarily be a mega-hit.
AÍ Ghost Tony in Spider-Man films, deal as you described has been reached, but Marvel also gave Iron Man films to Sony in exchange for the newly cut pie. It’s extra amusing, because while RDJ contract is up with Marvel, that doesn’t mean he can’t have a new one for the character with Sony. A massive trick.
I am joking of course. Based entirely on that tweet.
This isn't brinksmanship.
No new deal is forthcoming, nor is there likely to be one.
You keep making the mistake of thinking that Sony needs Marvel Studios in order to keep making smart and profitable business decisions as it concerns the future of the Spider-Man IP and that it's therefore in their best interests to renew that partnership regardless of how long it takes to do so, which just isn't the case.
Or, if the likelihood of Sony being sold and the rights reverting to Marvel is as high as suggested, it might actually just be Sony trying to maximise revenue before the inevitable happens.
Do they really? Spider-Man and Venom are only interesting because of their origin and their hatred because of that. They then are strained allies when the situation calls for it.
But we don’t have the same origin, Spidey will just meet Venom and they fight because the plot demands it.
Maybe they can do the origin story in reverse - the Venom symbiote leaves Brock and attaches itself to Peter - Black suit Spiderman antics ensue, Eddie strives to get the suit back and eventually succeeds. Eddie/Venom hatred gets fueled by being replaced/abandoned by Peter Parker leading to their major fight.
The bar has been set with what constitutes a profitable Spider-Man movie thanks to Feige's guidance. If Spider-Man 3* makes less than $500mil global under Sony's control, it would be a catastrophe. It needs to take in at least $700mil to make Sony not look like a horse's ass. An MCU produced SM3 would be expected to hit $1bil in all likelihood, so Sony needs to get in the neighborhood of that figure. Just making profitable films does not cut it with their number one property.
Yes, fans have been clamoring for Holland's Spidey to team up with Hardy's Venom.
As much as I loathe Venom, I have to say I do like dynamic swap and it's an interesting way of reinventing the story and keeping it fresh, while maintaining the core rivalry.
Please don't speak for me.
At this point, I was more interested in seeing Spidey stuff in the MCU. I was really hoping they would eventually set up Norman Osborn as a big MCU wide villain.