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Spoilers Spider-Man: Homecoming-- Grading and Discussion

How do you grade "Spider-Man: Homecoming"?

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I personally don't see the value in comparing the Raimi films with Homecoming. I mean, I get it...we often compare movies in a franchise, but for my money the two are both really well done versions of their own particular take. Raimi made "classic Spidey" albeit set in the modern day, whereas Homecoming is an actual modern Spidey. And I love both. :) (Sorry Garfield, I like you but not your films.)
 
Frankly, I prefer both the Maguire and Garfield films over this latest Spider-man movie. I hope that Tom Holland will be able to do better Spidey films in the future. Like Maguire and Garfield, he is very good in the role. But for me, I was not impressed by "Homecoming".
 
TREK_GOD_1 said:
Taking such a powerful comic sequence and reducing it to Stark's thin speech being the motivator was not enough. It just used the comic influence, but did not have any kind of matching internal struggle worthy of the effort of lifting great weight off of his body. There wan not an ounce of drama in that scene.
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Although I don't agree with your assesment of Homecoming, I will agree with you on that scene. Peter looked up to Tony as a new sort of father figure I asume, but for that one little sentence (which was powerful earlier in the movie) to motivate Peter took my out of the scene for a bit, especially with the reflecting and such.
 
I'll admit, I found the fake-looking reflection and Stark V.O. to be particularly uber cheesy for a movie that generally wasn't.
 
Dales said:
if you were disappointed with spiderman 2, you would be more disappointed with homecoming. the raimi films were better and had more emotion and depth to them and were not afraid to make spiderman grow up and deal with adult issues.
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Like Homecoming, except they aren't as willing to ditch his High School years as Raimi was. Or make every last little thing be about "A Girl" the way the opening line in Raimi's movies did.

people speak fondly of the raimi trilogy because it was a better time for comic films compared to the generic formulaic crap fest we have now with most mcu movies that are all the same, look the same and feel the same.
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So you're pissed that MCU goes the extra mile to making sure their movies can co-exist all in the same universe instead of making everything separate the way a lazy filmmaker would.

there is little substance in homecoming like all MCU movies.
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They have more depth than the X-Men movies, that's for sure. MCU doesn't need to exploit the Holocaust to give their movies meaning. They also don't need to go for that sell-out, creatively bankrupt "grounded" approach either.

no, it means it was generic and lacked substance. lots of fun, cool fight scenes but nothing smart or unique with the film making.
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If you were expecting Spidey to take the lazy way out and pretend the rest of the MCU didn't exist, maybe. This Spidey isn't afraid to embrace stuff that the Raimi films didn't have the guts to do.
 
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Anwar said:
You mean it was good.

Anyways, the Raimi films good for what they were and it's easy and safe to say they were "Directorial Passion" because there weren't many CBMs back then while the MCU is a CBM Producing Machine. That discounts the clear passion for their work that the MCU people have for their productions.
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no, it means it was generic and lacked substance. lots of fun, cool fight scenes but nothing smart or unique with the film making.
Turtletrekker said:
Sorry, I just rewatched the whole Raimi Trilogy, and I will still say the first two Raimi movies are better than Homecoming (IMHO, YMMV) simply because Sam Raimi got to do the classic version of the character.

But to say that that was a better time for superhero movies in general makes me believe that you're so divorced from reality that there must be some level of alimony involved.
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it was a better time for comic films because it had none of these build up. team up and cinematic trope that ends up affecting and weakening what are meant to be self contained stand-alone comic films. comic films had more substance then and more creative freedom leading to better comic book films in general.

I would take spiderman 1,2, x-men 1 and 2 and the tdk trilogy over any mcu movies anyday of the week.
 
Dales said:
no, it means it was generic and lacked substance. lots of fun, cool fight scenes but nothing smart or unique with the film making.
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You're describing Sony, not MCU.

it was a better time for comic films because it had none of these build up. team up and cinematic trope that ends up affecting and weakening what are meant to be self contained stand-alone comic films. comic films had more substance then and more creative freedom leading to better comic book films in general.
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No, back then people just didn't have higher standards. Taking stories that are all about serialization and expanded Universes and making them stale standalones is an insult to Marvel Comics.

Leave it to you, shows like Game of Thrones or Twin Peaks wouldn't exist.

I would take spiderman 1,2, x-men 1 and 2 and the tdk trilogy over any mcu movies anyday of the week.
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So movies that are for people ashamed of comics, then.

Spider-Man is now part of modern CBM film-making, and everything is the better for it.
 
This was the most fun Marvel movie I've seen in a while, even better than Gaurdians. While I didn't like Holland in Civil War, I loved him here and I wish there was more of Toomes and less of Tony Stark. Keaton commands the screen and I almost think he should have been in the movie more.

I gave it a B+
 
Like Homecoming, except they aren't as willing to ditch his High School years as Raimi was.
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I don't see any problem with that. Back in the 1960s, the Spider-man titles focused on Peter's high school years for only a few years - two to three years, I believe. After that the series focused heavily on Peter's college years for God knows how long. I never understood why so many, especially Hollywood suits continue to believe the "golden age" of the Spider-man comics occurred while Peter was in high school.


It didn't stay at the top of the box office heap very long, did it? Perhaps it will do a lot better in other countries.
 
LJones41 said:
I don't see any problem with that. Back in the 1960s, the Spider-man titles focused on Peter's high school years for only a few years - two to three years, I believe. After that the series focused heavily on Peter's college years for God knows how long. I never understood why so many, especially Hollywood suits continue to believe the "golden age" of the Spider-man comics occurred while Peter was in high school.


It didn't stay at the top of the box office heap very long, did it? Perhaps it will do a lot better in other countries.
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It wasn't "high school" that Hollywood was after because that would cut the possibility of romance and sex for the potential female audience. It was the bitten by a spider, Uncle Ben and with great power comes..... that Hollywood was after that happened during that period.
 
Just saw it. It was an alright 2 hours, but very by-the-numbers MCU. Giving Spider-Man most of Iron Man's stuff (AI, HUD, endless improbable one-use gizmos) seems a bit weird.
 
Just saw the movie on Saturday and I was very pleased. It had all the things I wanted out of a Spider-man movie with the added bonus of being a Marvel movie, however all-in-all I just felt really OKAY about it. It may be Spider-man/Marvel fatigue at this point though, as it did feel pretty by-the-numbers for an MCU (although not as blatantly by-the-numbers as Doctor Strange) and also, while I felt like they finally got a version of Spider-man out that I don't personally have any qualms with... Taking 6 movies to get there really killed a lot of the excitement or euphoria I would have expected to have.
 
Something I meant to give a shout-out to: I got a good laugh when he used the suit's "Enhanced Interrogation Mode" or whatever it was called...a good spoof of the whole silly disguised voice shtick, e.g. Bale's Batman and Arrow.
 
The Old Mixer said:
Something I meant to give a shout-out to: I got a good laugh when he used the suit's "Enhanced Interrogation Mode" or whatever it was called...a good spoof of the whole silly disguised voice shtick, e.g. Bale's Batman and Arrow.
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"You really need to get better at this part of the job." :lol:
 
Haven't seen it yet so waiting until I do to grade it. About some of the comments I've read so far..

1.) I am VERY GLAD that I don't have to sit through the origin story again. Spider-Man and his brooding over Uncle Ben was starting to remind me of the constant brooding of Batman over his father. I've seen it already. Been there and done that too many times. I get it. I don't want to see it again.

2.) I'm hoping the crossover with Ironman is brief because that has been one of my pet peeves with the MCU as of late. I understand that Spider-Man is in the same universe as all the Avengers but if I see them constantly in every movie then I don't really care as much about the next Avengers movie. Keep them from meeting each other too much so that the next Avengers movie feels special.

I love the way they did the Ant-man movie. Crossovers were kept at a bare minimum and the new characters were given the screen time that they needed. The movie was in the MCU but it felt like it's own self contained story.
 
ichab said:
Haven't seen it yet so waiting until I do to grade it. About some of the comments I've read so far..

1.) I am VERY GLAD that I don't have to sit through the origin story again. Spider-Man and his brooding over Uncle Ben was starting to remind me of the constant brooding of Batman over his father. I've seen it already. Been there and done that too many times. I get it. I don't want to see it again.

2.) I'm hoping the crossover with Ironman is brief because that has been one of my pet peeves with the MCU as of late. I understand that Spider-Man is in the same universe as all the Avengers but if I see them constantly in every movie then I don't really care as much about the next Avengers movie. Keep them from meeting each other too much so that the next Avengers movie feels special.

I love the way they did the Ant-man movie. Crossovers were kept at a bare minimum and the new characters were given the screen time that they needed. The movie was in the MCU but it felt like it's own self contained story.
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Sounds like you'll like the movie just fine :) Iron Man is barely in it to be honest.
 
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