Spoilers Spider-Man: Homecoming-- Grading and Discussion

Discussion in 'Science Fiction & Fantasy' started by Turtletrekker, Jul 4, 2017.

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How do you grade "Spider-Man: Homecoming"?

Poll closed Jul 4, 2018.
  1. A+ "Face it, Tiger. You just hit the jackpot!"

    18.3%
  2. A

    24.7%
  3. A-

    21.5%
  4. B+ "With great power..."

    14.0%
  5. B

    9.7%
  6. B-

    3.2%
  7. C+ "The Spider or the Man?"

    2.2%
  8. C

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  9. C-

    3.2%
  10. D+ "Spider-Man No More!"

    1.1%
  11. D

    1.1%
  12. D-

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  13. F "Threat or Menace?"

    1.1%
  1. Paul Weaver

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  3. Turtletrekker

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    Here is an extended version of Peter Parker's video diary that was included with the bonus features on the home release.

     
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    That was fun. Not just an extension of the trip to Berlin but also a whole new side adventure! :D
     
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    The Spectacular Sticky Boy :hugegrin:
     
  6. suarezguy

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    Way too much comic relief, often at the expense of the protagonist, and unlikeable characters who were supposedly likeable.

    Peter/Spider-Man came off at best as too reckless, incompetent and oblivious. At worst like he was still too interested in fame and financial success.
    Ned and Michelle were particularly overused and annoying.
    Liz was pretty good and I liked the twist relationship, one of the pretty few things that felt true to the spirit of the comic. Keaton was OK but the character felt badly going from not-so-bad to ruthless and back.
    May was an OK modernized version, I liked that the worrying was included in an updated/modern form. Flash had moments but was too underwhelming (disliking Peter just because he had less money and was smarter even though most of the other very smart students also seemed to be, a bully that wasn't influential with those other smart kids).
    The Captain America videos really didn't make sense.

    I didn't mind the tech suit, it didn't have much impact on the first half, but while I'm glad Karen wasn't in it more what she was in felt too much, abrupt and crammed in. Then Peter saying without the suit he was nothing felt forced, unpleasant in itself and not even really justified by how little and brief we had seen the enhancements. Peter realizing the suit wasn't everything felt like an obvious resolution to a forced issue.
     
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  7. suarezguy

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    Peter seemed to have no financial problems which was a pretty huge change for the worse, with this version not having that (and the character already being active for months but not being criticized by a Daily Bugle) it's highly likely that the sequels won't have any photography job or J. Jonah Jameson.

    I think the only way we may see Uncle Ben flashbacks is if a sequel adapts "Spider-Man No More!" which is probably just a little less likely than 50-50, maybe in a third movie. Presumably a third movie would also conclude with Peter graduating from high school.

    To me Peter of the comics in both his identities seemed pretty mature, more mature than his actual age so Maguire seeming more like a college student (and actually textually being close to that and then actually that) was good, Holland looking and acting really young including as Spider-Man, people easily noticing that Spider-Man was young, bad. Part of Lee's point with the character was that he would be young and yet also far from a kid/boy-sidekick-character (I don't get why he didn't mind the film making him more of a trainee).
     
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  8. Tosk

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    Which is more than classic Flash has as far as reasons go.
    How so?
     
  9. suarezguy

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    A school wouldn't portray a criminal or renegade as a role model for the students, let alone be required to by the state government ... and yet ...

    He ended up learning (even while learning a lot less than the viewers) that the guy he fought against to stop ended up remaining popular with a lot of the public and also even parts of the government, at least that should have shaken a lot of his belief in and enthusiasm for Tony Stark's wisdom and leadership.

    While it wasn't just, there was that they were actually very different (and Flash succeeding in a much more popular way), that demeaning Peter seemed to actually work in strengthening/maintaining his own popularity, that comic book Peter seemed to have more of a reciprocal antagonism, eventually some rivalry with him, Flash saw him as prideful in his way, that he was just mean and selfish. Homecoming gave little reason for Flash to have his particular resentment and one-sided rivalry when a lot would apply as much or more to the other members of the decathlon team he himself was in.
     
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  10. Tosk

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    Which is why it's passed off comedically as an older recording that the school hasn't replaced yet. You can even tell it's old due to Cap wearing his goofy outfit from the first Avengers.
     
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    To take that Captain America is a criminal fugitive violating committed international law, in the same universe the state government and/or schools would quickly change the policies rather than months later continue to promote and valorize him and use him as a role model let alone in multiple videos in multiple situations to the students.
     
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    He is thrilled at getting to fight the somehow-gone-bad ex-members, including one he supposedly also admires, while admitting he has no idea what the conflict is about. Yeah, joining seems a lot more like getting status for the sake of status rather than altruistically contributing against greater challenges.
     
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  13. Samurai8472

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    It's kind of like "Well we've got to review this tape of O.J Simpson to see what we can try in the next game"
     
  14. Turtletrekker

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    I think it was a take at teachers having to work with outdated materials.
     
  15. The Scrooge Doctor

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    That's exactly how I took it.
     
  16. Ovation

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    So dumpster diving for obsolete electronics that could be purchased new for 20-25$ doesn’t suggest financial problems to you?
     
  17. STEPhon IT

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    I thought the movie was okay, but like the first series of movies, I can't understand why the producers are digging in their heels in Spider-Man purposefully revealing his identity with that squeeky voice originally done by Tobey Maguire??? He's supposed to be Spider-Man, but sounds like Spider-Boy. The illusion would be a lot more interesting if the voice was dubbed and he if the character would stop his compulsion to take his mask off every 5 minutes in costume.

    As for a grade, I'll give it a D+.
     
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    Mate, did you even watch the movie? :lol:
     
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    It's kind of easy to miss, but the principal of Peter's school is the Grandson of one of Cap's Squadmates from First Avenger, he probably kept them using the videos because he didn't think Cap was really guilty of any crimes in the first place.
     
  20. suarezguy

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    According to the teacher it was a state requirement and it doesn't make sense that the state wouldn't change that but I guess the state government could have assumed the schools would just change on their own and most did or the principal or teacher might even be fibbing about it being required by the state.